How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

[akaneakki]

Parsers are useless.
Let's say you have one, and you do your rotation. But when you see your number, you're clearly lacking...then what

So that's when you try different rotations at the time or hold cds etc for another time to see if it increased your dps or not. Can't people stop pretend its a magical boost for your dps?It's a tool to HELP you, which means it will let you know if you do bad or good, then you need to see on your own what works best for you. If it increases those numbers, means you did better.
You are pretty much saying that if I give you a screwdriver you gonna start using it as a hammer.... It's how you are educated or teached how to use them. Anyone who uses a parser, well most know how it truely works.

A lot of tools are useless without proper education on how to use them. But they're still good tools nonetheless.

Pretty much this.

I don't want to derail the threat on this topic and also I don't think it's "immoral" but I do not agree with the use of mechanic triggers that's cheating on every right of the word, .

So you are cheating and your friends, because someone calls out the mechanic for you all? Okay gotcha.

[Taika]

So you are cheating and your friends, because someone calls out the mechanic for you all? Okay gotcha.

It's a very different thing to have players paying attention to the fight and then calling out what's happening based on that and have an external program automate that process for you...

[Rawrz]

So you are cheating and your friends, because someone calls out the mechanic for you all? Okay gotcha.

In creator our WAR had a trigger that could call the Random patterns for A11s one second before visual cues. That's a whole extra second for position adjustments. Like.... How can you hold a high ground over something that's cheating so blatantly?

If my static had someone who could make call outs like that without a trigger, he or she would be a precog and have their own Lifetime movie network special.

But again, again so long as SE doesn't add an in game parser, It's something that the community has to deal with in order to keep having a second hand parser from PC players.

[akaneakki]

In creator our WAR had a trigger that could call the Random patterns for A11s one second before visual cues. That's a whole extra second for position adjustments. Like.... How can you hold a high ground over something that's cheating so blatantly? .

I get what you are saying, however, many and I know very very many doesn't even use act triggers. I know a few just so they could optimize the dps, but then again, there are just a few who does. Is it really needed? No? If people want to use it, go ahead use it, doesn't bother me at all. A bad player could use this trigger and still be bad. It's how it's used not what it does.. It's not a magical thing to make you great, so stop acting like it does miracles.

It's a very different thing to have players paying attention to the fight and then calling out what's happening based on that and have an external program automate that process for you...

Like I quoted the other guy, I get what you both are saying, however, when I've helped people I call out shit as a MELEE!!!! before shit even happens way before and you know how tight it is for melees compare to let's say tanks or healers. And the most funny part is that those who even get called out their mechanics will still fail. If a player had these triggers and they could use them, so lets say they did.... now the thing calls it out, what happens? They can still fail, because even if they are told they still will fail. Just like many players wil stil fail to improve if a parser would happen, because in fact many doesn't want to improve, so a tool wouldn't even force them to do so. For those who want to improve it's a great tool. Again tho, why is this even a topic about triggers? Nobody asked for that shit, people asking for tools to help them improve.

And I disagree strongly againts who says ps4 players can be worse than pc players. I've seen many great ps4 players over pc players.. they just happened to have a friend or two in the group who parser them to let them know if they improved or not. But I would still love a parser for ps4. If it happens, just imagine all the bad players who told people are bad, but find out they are actually so bad themselves?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

In creator our WAR had a trigger that could call the Random patterns for A11s one second before visual cues. That's a whole extra second for position adjustments. Like.... How can you hold a high ground over something that's cheating so blatantly?

If my static had someone who could make call outs like that without a trigger, he or she would be a precog and have their own Lifetime movie network special.

But again, again so long as SE doesn't add an in game parser, It's something that the community has to deal with in order to keep having a second hand parser from PC players.

And? This isn't a PvP environment. If someone wants to use automated call outs for things like A11S, who cares? Believe me, that one second difference only benefits people who already know how to do the mechanics. Triggers are more often something people use afterwards just to ease the weekly grind.

I wish this sort of attitude would die a quick and dirty death. It isn't true, it has never been true, and it is serves as an excuse for toxic behavior.

Nothing personal, I just hate the 'faceroll' attitude of a number of posters on these forums.

You couldn't literally smash your face onto the keyboard, no. However, this game is incredibly easy for the most part, especially when played as intended. There's a reason tanks pull ten mobs at a time and everyone insists on healer DPS. If I did only three mobs at a time, I honestly wouldn't need a healer. Just bring a Red Mage and we're golden.

[Rawrz]

And? This isn't a PvP environment. If someone wants to use automated call outs for things like A11S, who cares? Believe me, that one second difference only benefits people who already know how to do the mechanics. Triggers are more often something people use afterwards just to ease the weekly ground.

So if I am a PC player and I bot every class to 70 or gather nodes on my btn/miner 24/7 while I work and sleep and watch TV, it would be no harm no foul?

That's essentially what you're saying.

I'm alright with triggers existing, and I would NEVER report someone for using one, but they are a form of cheating and to deny that is to lie to yourself. Giving yourself an advantage over someone playing the same game using third party -->automated<-- tools, is right there with the definition for botting.

If the devs catch on, who knows, next tier of savage could be made even more difficult using more random mechanics like a11s with shortened reaction time, to balance against the "best" players.

[Nuna]

So if I am a PC player and I bot every class to 70 or gather nodes on my btn/miner 24/7 while I work and sleep and watch TV, it would be no harm no foul?

That's essentially what you're saying.

No, that's not what they're saying at all. You shouldn't have to make extreme unrelated examples if you actually have a point.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

So if I am a PC player and I bot every class to 70 or gather nodes on my btn/miner 24/7 while I work and sleep and watch TV, it would be no harm no foul?

That's essentially what you're saying.

No, it isn't. You are comparing an automated call out that essentially takes the role of what you would assign one or two players via discord anyway with something that allows you to stop playing the game entirely. An ACT call out isn't going to do the mechanic for you whereas a bot will gather while you AFK. Those aren't remotely comparable.

[akaneakki]

So if I am a PC player and I bot every class to 70 or gather nodes on my btn/miner 24/7 while I work and sleep and watch TV, it would be no harm no foul? .

I know you want a parser in game since I've seen most of your post, but honestly this post makes no sense. You are basically saying here that a guy with a trigger will dodge a mechanic automatically because some computer voice is calling out something for you. It's what you are saying here. A bot to lvl 70 makes the whole thing free for you, you don't even need to even touch your game, since it will be done by itself. However a voice over calling out for you, you still need to do it on your own. I can call out a whole fight for a person and they still need to do it. And the fact the 11s mechanic is gonna give you 1 second, if you can't dodge that on your own you are bad, so the difference is small not as big as people say it is. It doesn't benefit as much as people say it does.

Again, parsers wont make a player great by just using one, nor does a call out trigger. You still need to play on your own and deal with the mechanics itself, a bot does everything for you... so again comparing trigger vs bot is just not right

[Rawrz]

I know you want a parser in game since I've seen most of your post, but honestly this post makes no sense.

I'm really not that invested in this, as I've said I don't think people should use them. In the grand scheme debating over whether triggers are immoral or not isn't going to change whether they exist or if you support them. Human error is part of the game and unless I'm being lazy (lazy is bad :[) I will try to confirm a call out from discord. Having an all knowing moderator is a bit one sided, in my opinion, but I can't control the masses (if I could everyone would be mandated catboys and have parsers :0)

I could see down the line a ray of hope that we will get an official (ps4 supported) parser, but I couldn't imagine SE creating something that notifies you of upcoming call outs in full voice. Working overtime so should be able to invest in decent PC and I can just give up the crusade of a ps4 supported parser. It's gotten me banned enough.