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  1. #191
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by MyaValentine View Post
    because it requires atleast those 2 players to be paying attention to the fight to make those callouts to help the group as a whole to progress having a program do it for you defeats a lot of the difficulty for most of the savage fights
    I also view automatised callouts as cheating and they're definitely an unfair advantage for the PC players who choose to use them. (I also admit to using one for Coil 5 Death Sentence back then before our PLD tank made a party macro for it. Haven't used them since then and would not use them.)
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  2. #192
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Cerberus
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub View Post
    Implement a parser so people can clearly see, they are dragging down other people, they need to improve.
    The problem is that most of the time they don't care at all about that to begin with, a parser will not magically make ppl become better, they need to want to and that is regardless of parsers, everytime a friend of mine starts the game he asks me where they can learn rotations and stats of the job they want to play.
    Parsers are tools but if the behaviors are flawed they won't help to make things better at all
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  3. #193
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Parsers are useless.

    Let's say you have one, and you do your rotation. But when you see your number, you're clearly lacking...then what ?
    Is the parser telling you where you lack ? When you lack ? What you did wrong ? No. It just show you number, and you have to deal with it.

    If you don't care about improving, you won't really analyze what you did wrong, and how you can improve. And if you care, you won't need a parser to talk with others who master your job, ask them for advice, look at guides, and train with the proper dummy.
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  4. #194
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    Mature Rudlum
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    Ultros
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    The only way to improve is by seeing your numbers. Yes , we have a dummy to play around with. Some can break susano ex with a lot of seconds left and some with 1sc or 2sc and they think they doing well. Don't get me wrong you are doing something right BUT how can you optimize what you doing without knowing what is it that you are missing or doing wrong? Without knowledge of your input?

    I still feel that a personal in game parser should be available for all.

    V1s kinda proves the point.
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  5. #195
    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Lilila Lila
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Parsers are useless.
    A lot of tools are useless without proper education on how to use them. But they're still good tools nonetheless.

    Even if we were to accept the parser as useless, I would still like quantified data of performance rather than having to make assumptions that maybe I'm kind of pulling my weight possibly in my group. I know that's not everyone but I never claimed it was--this is simply my reason for wanting a parser.
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  6. #196
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    Nic Pay
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    Exodus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Parsers are useles
    Comments like this make zero sense at all. Again I'll use my , pvp example again so since numbers don't matter. If ur a rookie at pvp u start pvp and at first ur doing ten k damage and zero kills etc. So ur telling me when u start to see 100k damage 80 k damage as opposed to where u started seeing that improvement means nothing becaause for me it did when I go into pvp front lines nine times out of ten I'm not winning. But what I can do is look at my on personal stats of improvement because Se will actually show us numbers there unlike pve
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    Last edited by bswpayton; 08-10-2017 at 11:01 PM.

  7. #197
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    Les Mhaura
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    Moogle
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    Samurai Lv 72
    Honestly, parsers are a waste of space in this game. The ui is full enough already. It's not needed at all. You practice on dummies and practice run. That's how this game is played.

    Oh and as a note. Look at wow. Just look at how much vile and hate the dps meters bring to the game. It's at a point where a simple parser is locking potential raiders out of progression. Take a step back an think for a second.

    Look at this game. Look at how much time you spend training, figuring out and improving focus just to down that broken AF boss! That's the game right there! Simplify the process and you're back here complaining about dead game, nothing to do, rip, fire content producers etc etc. Trust in square. They've shown theyre more than capable to handle ffxiv.
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  8. #198
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    Liza Sol
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    Twintania
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Parsers are useless.
    Let's say you have one, and you do your rotation. But when you see your number, you're clearly lacking...then what
    So that's when you try different rotations at the time or hold cds etc for another time to see if it increased your dps or not. Can't people stop pretend its a magical boost for your dps?It's a tool to HELP you, which means it will let you know if you do bad or good, then you need to see on your own what works best for you. If it increases those numbers, means you did better.
    You are pretty much saying that if I give you a screwdriver you gonna start using it as a hammer.... It's how you are educated or teached how to use them. Anyone who uses a parser, well most know how it truely works.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    A lot of tools are useless without proper education on how to use them. But they're still good tools nonetheless.
    Pretty much this.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyaValentine View Post
    I don't want to derail the threat on this topic and also I don't think it's "immoral" but I do not agree with the use of mechanic triggers that's cheating on every right of the word, .
    So you are cheating and your friends, because someone calls out the mechanic for you all? Okay gotcha.
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    Last edited by akaneakki; 08-10-2017 at 11:20 PM.

  9. #199
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    Nic Pay
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Skogli View Post
    Honestly, parsers are a waste of space in this game. The ui is full enough already. It's not needed at all. You practice on dummies and
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    What game are you even talkin about I dono what game your talkin about but , this game isnt friendly nor nice this is just people and they can be toxic parser or not. This is still the game where people leave duties right away when they see new players, the same one where people leave pratice groups in two seconds, same one that has no bonus in every group even in unsync runs. So stop pretending like a parser would make things worse if people are rude they will be rude anyway. And again no it may not be called a parse but SE already shows us damage in pvp and I wouldnt say thats anymore toxic than pve is currently. And also most people that do endgame would like to know how they are preforming otherwise what are they even doing it for?
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  10. #200
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaneakki View Post
    So you are cheating and your friends, because someone calls out the mechanic for you all? Okay gotcha.
    It's a very different thing to have players paying attention to the fight and then calling out what's happening based on that and have an external program automate that process for you...
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