How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

[Skogli]

Honestly, parsers are a waste of space in this game. The ui is full enough already. It's not needed at all. You practice on dummies and practice run. That's how this game is played.

Oh and as a note. Look at wow. Just look at how much vile and hate the dps meters bring to the game. It's at a point where a simple parser is locking potential raiders out of progression. Take a step back an think for a second.

Look at this game. Look at how much time you spend training, figuring out and improving focus just to down that broken AF boss! That's the game right there! Simplify the process and you're back here complaining about dead game, nothing to do, rip, fire content producers etc etc. Trust in square. They've shown theyre more than capable to handle ffxiv.

[bswpayton]

Honestly, parsers are a waste of space in this game. The ui is full enough already. It's not needed at all. You practice on dummies and
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What game are you even talkin about I dono what game your talkin about but , this game isnt friendly nor nice this is just people and they can be toxic parser or not. This is still the game where people leave duties right away when they see new players, the same one where people leave pratice groups in two seconds, same one that has no bonus in every group even in unsync runs. So stop pretending like a parser would make things worse if people are rude they will be rude anyway. And again no it may not be called a parse but SE already shows us damage in pvp and I wouldnt say thats anymore toxic than pve is currently. And also most people that do endgame would like to know how they are preforming otherwise what are they even doing it for?

[Skogli]

What game are you even talkin about I dono what game your talkin about but , this game isnt friendly nor nice this is just people and they can be toxic parser or not. This is still the game where people leave duties right away when they see new players, the same one where people leave pratice groups in two seconds, same one that has no bonus in every group even in unsync runs. So stop pretending like a parser would make things worse if people are rude they will be rude anyway. And again no it may not be called a parse but SE already shows us damage in pvp and I wouldnt say thats anymore toxic than pve is currently. And also most people that do endgame would like to know how they are preforming otherwise what are they even doing it for?

Do you need a parser to know if you're good or bad? You're blind then.

[HyoMinPark]

Do you need a parser to know if you're good or bad? You're blind then.

It's not knowing if you're "good" or "bad," but if your performance is up to what you either 1. seem to think it is, or 2. what you would like it to be. This game doesn't provide any way of knowing either of those. So many people think that the enmity bars are an adequate measure of overall DPS and performance when the reality is, is that they are not. Highest enmity =/= highest DPS/performance. There is nothing wrong with wanting a parser to give you a visual, numerical indicator of your performance. That doesn't make one "blind."

Toxicity will exist with a parser or without one. It doesn't matter one way or the other. No one can accurately say that toxicity will increase or decrease with the addition of parsers, or with increased/stricter monitoring on SE's part with regards to parsers. All anyone can say is that it will continue to exist regardless.

Like I said above: don't blame the tool just because people decide to use it for the wrong reasons.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

So many people think that the enmity bars are an adequate measure of overall DPS and performance when the reality is, is that they are not.

I want to grab this because it highlights a significant problem. I assume enough people posting here know of NEST, yes? They actually talked about enmity equally high DPS. Why bring them up? Because they a popular group on Youtube, which means other people will listen to them. For example, Samurai has a slow build up. Tanks should fear Red Mages, Black Mages or Bards long before they fear a Samurai catching them on the enmity bar. They will without Division but you wouldn't know it if you simply glanced at that bar occasionally.

A parse allows people to see their exact damage, which they can directly compare to other players: "This Samurai did 4,500 in V1N? What's he doing and how can I do that?"

[Skogli]

It's not knowing if you're "good" or "bad," but if your performance is up to what you either 1.

Like I said above: don't blame the tool just because people decide to use it for the wrong reasons.

It's not my damage, it's our damage. The group needs to work as one to raid in this game. Dps isn't all there is to down a boss, but if parser becomes a thing then it's gonna become all about those numbers.

You can use it responsibly? Great! A lot of other people can't and won't. It adds way too little of value compared to how shortsighted it makes the game.

Try asking your raid group to help you improve by looking at and analyzing your preformance. Teamwork and actual interaction.

[Driavna]

It's not my damage, it's our damage. The group needs to work as one to raid in this game. Dps isn't all there is to down a boss, but if parser becomes a thing then it's gonna become all about those numbers.

You can use it responsibly? Great! A lot of other people can't and won't. It adds way too little of value compared to how shortsighted it makes the game.

Try asking your raid group to help you improve by looking at and analyzing your preformance. Teamwork and actual interaction.

You are wrong, killing a boss before an enrage is math. You need X group DPS to kill it, if the group don't meet this minimum is wipe. Data is needed to solve the problem or is going to be a guessing game.

[Taika]

It's not my damage, it's our damage. The group needs to work as one to raid in this game. Dps isn't all there is to down a boss, but if parser becomes a thing then it's gonna become all about those numbers[...]

Try asking your raid group to help you improve by looking at and analyzing your preformance. Teamwork and actual interaction.

Situation: group keeps wiping to enrage in OS3. All group members have beaten the SSS doll for the fight. Both healers are doing (at least some) DPS. In reality 2 DDs and 1 tank are underperforming significantly (or maybe not even significantly, but enough that the DPS lost by them combined is enough for the group to fail the DPS check). There's no way to know that without parser, and it really is about those three people's numbers, as everyone else is doing what they should. How would you, in this situation "analyse" the group's performance without a parser? You wouldn't even know why you're meeting the enrage: everyone have beaten the doll, everyone knows their rotation, and they should have what it takes.

[loreleidiangelo]

It's not my damage, it's our damage. The group needs to work as one to raid in this game. Dps isn't all there is to down a boss, but if parser becomes a thing then it's gonna become all about those numbers.

You can use it responsibly? Great! A lot of other people can't and won't. It adds way too little of value compared to how shortsighted it makes the game.

Try asking your raid group to help you improve by looking at and analyzing your preformance. Teamwork and actual interaction.

Yeah man, I'll totally ask my group to watch and make sure I'm casting DPS spells on my healer while they're trying to navigate Holy Blur into Folio correctly on O3S. I'm sure that will go over well.

Or, y'know, they could just look at my overall metrics afterward and gently point out that I could probably be pushing myself more. It's not up to them to babysit me and find that target area; that's something I need to do myself. But knowing my aggregate is a little low at least gives them a general guideline that I'm not casting as much as I could be during various mechanics.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It's not my damage, it's our damage. The group needs to work as one to raid in this game. Dps isn't all there is to down a boss, but if parser becomes a thing then it's gonna become all about those numbers.

You can use it responsibly? Great! A lot of other people can't and won't. It adds way too little of value compared to how shortsighted it makes the game.

Try asking your raid group to help you improve by looking at and analyzing your preformance. Teamwork and actual interaction.

And what if your raid group doesn't know your selected job well? While I could give a baseline on how Monk or Machinist perform, I certainly wouldn't be able to help someone optimize it. A parse compares you directly to others who play your job. Whenever I see Samurai or Dragoons doing something different, I can pull up their FFlogs and see if my rotation needs a tweak or if it were simply gear differences. A tool shouldn't be banned because jerks exist. If that were the case, we may as well get rid of Vote Kick/Abandon. People occasionally abuse those.

FFXIV is a straight forward game dependent on a set rotation and set variables. A parse won't make that any different.