SAM out classing all other DPS

[Lastelli]

Even then, add phases are what- 1% of the fight?

Well, we have t4 and a2 at least. Levi had several adds coming in different moments of the fight, Shiva had an add phase, t13 several add waves and probably other that I cannot remember. Lots of adds in those fights, but I agree it isn't much. But since a lot of people seem worried about raw numbers regardless of their actual significance, I suppose that that would at least make some of them happier, no?
Still, it really depends on how they design savage content from now. The fact that BLM has the highest aoe damage potential cannot simply be ignored when balancing its single target damage. I'm not saying BLM is fine as it is. The dps difference between the 2.x rotation and the current rotation is just laughable and a very poor design choice. But the same can be said for SAM.

[Galvuu]

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Adds in Shiva were like a small fraction of the fight too. And the bubbles in Levi were on the corners... and I don't want a new A2S (what a rubbish fight).
I get what you're saying though- it's just that the three highest aoe jobs (SMN, MNK and BLM) fell out of favour in HW (and MNK and BLM were also 1st and 2nd single target), so I see no reason to trust SE to reward aoe at all.

[Shiroe]

Blm and Smn have issues, and the fact that most buffs are for physically isn't helping either.

There shouldn't be any discriminating between magical and physically buffs, just buff the dps.

Or give casters one more magical buff, suggesting Blm "thunder 3 dots increase magical damage on the target by x%". Not only helping the casters, but making blm more valuble.

Even if that does not settle the Blm and Rdm discrepancy, that's another issue.

That aside, dps need rebalancing... and there should be more than the usual "physical" meta. Casters are the lost class again, aside of Rdm (which is 1/8 physically xD).

[Yglvid]

Sam has the highest dps output and no utility? You don't say... I'm pretty sure a ninja just posted a 4.4k dps on suzano, that's only .1 difference from the highest Sam, and to those saying Sam don't get punished at all for boss mechanics, before Sam even thinks about using Mekyo(I think that's what it's called) they have to have two buffs up, now it's not as punishing as say drg, but it can still mess up high end dps.

[Waliel]

Ninja's in the corner laughing at this. TA is MASSIVE.

You would need a raid DPS of roughly 30,000 before TA to get an extra 500 from it. Highest DPS parse is 26,449.3 on Susano, but that also includes the LB. Getting there slowly.

Bard will always be mandatory.

Random fun fact I noticed: fastest Susano kill has a comp of SAM, RDM, MNK, NIN.

[HoLoFoNo]

If you nerf Sam then what the point of bringing a samurai when you can bring ninja which offer slashing debuff and trick attack!?!?!?!?!?! Ever think of that!?!?!? Ninja dps is pretty close to samurai if they got nerfed you can just delete samurai lol

Because NIN is also overtuned? Use your head. Just because one class is good doesn't mean that there are no other problematic classes (I'm not pointing fingers, except I totally am at NIN and RDM.)

[HoLoFoNo]

It should be equal to MNK personal dps plus the estimated raid dps gains due to brotherhood (plus something more because of mantra, depending on how difficult healing is in a particular instance, remember that MNK was in a8s world first only because of mantra) and NIN personal dps + TA synergies, since they are all melee jobs that compete for the same spot in a party. Similarly, DRG personal dps should be lower by an amount explained by (half of) disembowel contribution to BRD/MCH personal dps, battle litany and dragon sight. This is how you balance melee jobs.

Except they should stop making pseudo support dps and making things harder to balance for themselves and just keep that job for the current support DPS. DRG is just a melee BRD atm, which explains why it also performs worse than it in actual fights. Just keep the offensive utility to one per class, and then balance them based on flexibility.


Edit: Clarification in italics.

[Riotpersona]

Sam has the highest dps output and no utility? You don't say... I'm pretty sure a ninja just posted a 4.4k dps on suzano, that's only .1 difference from the highest Sam, and to those saying Sam don't get punished at all for boss mechanics, before Sam even thinks about using Mekyo(I think that's what it's called) they have to have two buffs up, now it's not as punishing as say drg, but it can still mess up high end dps.

Not that I disagree that NIN is in a really good spot but, that was a dummy parse, and one that was basically purely good luck on crits, even the person who posted it said they were unable to replicate it, and even then, that is still 200-300 dps lower than the average SAM on SSS.

[Leonus]

You know what? I now hope the nerf Sam, and that it becomes moot to bring one in high end raiding because it offers nothing and the other jobs are clear better choices. It would calm down all the people complaining about Sam being OP and start a new wave of "Sam needs help" threads.

This way we can see all the people who wanted Sam nerfed advocate to keep it where it would then be be. Would chase off all the number chasing people from the class and make sam useless. Then we would only have people who enjoyed the class playing it.

Plz need Sam into the ground SE, everyone else playing another job is upset that Sam beats them in personal numbers. Plz make it so that Sam no longer beats anybody, ever.

[Dortharl]

You know what? I now hope the nerf Sam, and that it becomes moot to bring one in high end raiding because it offers nothing and the other jobs are clear better choices. It would calm down all the people complaining about Sam being OP and start a new wave of "Sam needs help" threads.

This way we can see all the people who wanted Sam nerfed advocate to keep it where it would then be be. Would chase off all the number chasing people from the class and make sam useless. Then we would only have people who enjoyed the class playing it.

Plz need Sam into the ground SE, everyone else playing another job is upset that Sam beats them in personal numbers. Plz make it so that Sam no longer beats anybody, ever.

I don't actually think SAM should be nerfed at all, I just want SE to be more consistent in their reasoning. SAM doing more damage than other classes is fine but there should be a trade off, and the whole lack of utility argument is flawed.