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    Lastelli Sungsem
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    So, now that we're seeing many progression parties with no SAM are we still going to say that the job is op?
    The preferred party composition seems to be rdm, nin, brd and drg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    So, now that we're seeing many progression parties with no SAM are we still going to say that the job is op?
    The preferred party composition seems to be rdm, nin, brd and drg.
    Go figure, lol. Yea, people will still say Sam is OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    So, now that we're seeing many progression parties with no SAM are we still going to say that the job is op?
    The preferred party composition seems to be rdm, nin, brd and drg.
    Sam can/will be top contender to replace either job listed there, if not still top contender to replace nin or brd...

    but seems, comps want buffing classes atm.. (for speed runs, see Sam well in there instead of one of the metionded)

    while Smn, blm have zero chances.. and mnk is still probably less favoured over Sam..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroe View Post
    Sam can/will be top contender to replace either job listed there, if not still top contender to replace nin or brd...

    but seems, comps want buffing classes atm.. (for speed runs, see Sam well in there instead of one of the metionded)

    while Smn, blm have zero chances.. and mnk is still probably less favoured over Sam..
    NIN will be there also for speedruns unless it is further nerfed. It really seems most people don't realise how good TA is.

    Meanwhile, we see MNKs and DRGs in progression parties. Since HC raiders know a thing or two about optimality and understand how utility works, I'll just stay here and laugh, thinking about all the salt of the last few days.

    And again, blm and smn have nothing to do with sam. The real problem is that rdm is just a superior caster. You should be asking for rdm nerfs or your own buffs to be balanced wrt rdm. Sam is not the source of your problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    Meanwhile, we see MNKs and DRGs in progression parties. Since HC raiders know a thing or two about optimality and understand how utility works, I'll just stay here and laugh, thinking about all the salt of the last few days.
    Does the 2-4% increase of personal DPS from the DRG suddenly put them in raid comps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyvhokan View Post
    Does the 2-4% increase of personal DPS from the DRG suddenly put them in raid comps?
    Apparently, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    Apparently, yes.
    This is literally only the Dragoon's DPS. None of the buffs were touched this patch, but personally the DRG him/herself now does 2-4% more damage than before, and that was enough to tip the scales?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroe View Post
    Sam can/will be top contender to replace either job listed there, if not still top contender to replace nin or brd...

    but seems, comps want buffing classes atm.. (for speed runs, see Sam well in there instead of one of the metionded)

    while Smn, blm have zero chances.. and mnk is still probably less favoured over Sam..
    and for top fflogs, which still many want, besides the speed runs or 1st kills, Sam is still by far top contender..
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    My OP job is not in any raid comps. I want a buff!!!!!!
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    blm should be like sam, big deeps no utility as a replacement like it was in 2.0 for mnk, either blm or mnk worked, if you had foe..

    should be the same now with blm and Sam, either should work

    but in 3.0 it went "physical only" for any

    Sam might not need a nerf, but the other jobs (atm after 4.05 seems like mostly casters) need some buffs or balancing.. and looking at how Sam dps is insane and doesn't get punished, a sam nerf would have been merit instead of buffing all the others before 4.05..., just nin still seemed a bit OP too
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