Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Ryahask]

Yeah idk why people are whining about WHM when SCH got the nerfbazooka and AST is really the only healer that got anything that looks like a buff. But "WHM dead" tho.

Maybe because SCH lost their crazy aoe damage which was a luxury, not an essential component of their kit while still receiving incredible new abilities and barely losing anything to the role system. SCH gets better single target healing which has always been a weakness of theirs, an amazing utility heal that people aren't talking about enough in Excogitation, a boost to their heal efficiency in the swap to Cleric's stance, new damage utility, and they get access to 2 incredible role skills they never had before.

By comparison, WHM lost more skills than any job in the game to the cross-role system as a Job with an already sparse kit. Their only new ability which isn't simply more overhealing is a shield, for which they lost a shield (Stoneskin). No new utility, none of their previous weaknesses covered. The closest thing to a meaningful NEW ability WHM is getting is in Thin Air, which, realistically, does nothing in difficult content unless MP values have been inflated to make it valuable.

[SuzakuCMX]

Maybe because SCH lost their crazy aoe damage which was a luxury, not an essential component of their kit

They lost 2 DoTs; one from their main kit and one from cross-role while also losing a ton of AoE damage

SCH gets better single target healing which has always been a weakness of theirs

Since when? They've always lacked in AoE healing and been the best single target healer due to stacking Physick and Fairy heals with Lustrate and Fey Illumination lol. Embrace lost 50 potency btw.

Their only new ability which isn't simply more overhealing is a shield, for which they lost a shield (Stoneskin)

10% MP 3 Second Cast vs. 15% No Cost Instant Cast? Sounds good.

none of their previous weaknesses covered.

MP Management?

The closest thing to a meaningful NEW ability WHM is getting is in Thin Air, which, realistically, does nothing in difficult content unless MP values have been inflated to make it valuable.

Do you not know about WHM's long standing battle with MP Management?

[Atlantasia]

Do you not know about WHM's long standing battle with MP Management?

If you have problems with MP management in 3.x on WHM, that's a personal problem, or your group is terrible with mechanics. :/ Just saying, because any WHM worth their salt shouldn't be having MP issues. Thin Air is just a "lol I get to spam XYZ expensive spell skill". I highly doubt it's going to be super needed. That's likely why so many are happy about it, because it is an actual fun skill, omg we got one... xD lol

[Reiryuu]

10% MP 3 Second Cast vs. 15% No Cost Instant Cast? Sounds good.

You mean HP? But stoneskin actually had a 2.5 sec cast time, and no cooldown and, in 2.0 it used to be an 18% HP shield vs. 15% costs all lilies (and requires 1 to cast) with a 30 second cooldown. It's far less convenient to use for not that much better and it's worse than the old stoneskin was. I would totally take our current stoneskin vs. this new bubble anytime. Plus, it's a level 66 ability while stoneskin was 34 and usable in lower level content. White mages now have no form of mitigation within their job until level 66.

You kinda forget that Bane is now getting the same Nerf Holy got in 3.0. Welcome to the club. I will grant you the Shadow Flare nerf sucks, though.

Embrace losing 50 potency isn't going to get any sympathy from me. The fairy gives you access to buffs for the group along with free spot healing that's a pretty nice deal considering we have a lot more holes where skills went than you guys do now.

WHM and SCH both got hit in the nuts hard. I'm sure we can both agree to that. Now that SCH has been hit hard, surely you can understand at least a little how WHMs are feeling since we got hit in both 3.0 and 4.0. We're kinda tired of taking hits and this one hurts even more since we really didn't get anything that neat in 4.0. Thin Air? Sure, that could be great. But the rest is garbage and brings nothing to benefit our party with.

[SuzakuCMX]

WHM and SCH both got hit in the nuts hard. I'm sure we can both agree to that. Now that SCH has been hit hard, surely you can understand at least a little how WHMs are feeling since we got hit in both 3.0 and 4.0. We're kinda tired of taking hits and this one hurts even more since we really didn't get anything that neat in 4.0. Thin Air? Sure, that could be great. But the rest is garbage and brings nothing to benefit our party with.

My point is if SCH got hit hard then that puts WHM at a comparatively better position for raid content. Thin Air is fun. Assize at a lower CD, reduced further by Lilies (with increased proc rate of 50%/100%) is fun. Being able to devote 12 seconds of nonstop fun times to costless DPS or bombass heals is going to be fun. Being able to pump out my oGCD heals at lower CDs is fun.

Fuck Confession stacks though they need to change that.

[Kabzy]

Maybe because SCH lost their crazy aoe damage which was a luxury, not an essential component of their kit while still receiving incredible new abilities and barely losing anything to the role system. SCH gets better single target healing which has always been a weakness of theirs, an amazing utility heal that people aren't talking about enough in Excogitation, a boost to their heal efficiency in the swap to Cleric's stance, new damage utility, and they get access to 2 incredible role skills they never had before.

By comparison, WHM lost more skills than any job in the game to the cross-role system as a Job with an already sparse kit. Their only new ability which isn't simply more overhealing is a shield, for which they lost a shield (Stoneskin). No new utility, none of their previous weaknesses covered. The closest thing to a meaningful NEW ability WHM is getting is in Thin Air, which, realistically, does nothing in difficult content unless MP values have been inflated to make it valuable.

Single target healing was a weakness? Do you even play Scholar? lol If anything, Excog was not even needed. It's the perfect CD to have with how Cleric Stance used to work, but as of now it's just a slightly better Lustrate that you'll only ever get off on a tank. While we didn't lose as much as WHM to role skills, I'll feel the loss of Virus more than the benefits of gaining a 20% heal buff that, again, wasn't even needed for the job.

Also, Thin Air could potentially make WHM the easiest job to manage MP on, considering most ASTs won't be wanting to use Ewers. If the MP costs are reflective of what we've been used to in HW, SCH will easily have the hardest time in that department too. WHM may not have received much, but it didn't get nerfed anywhere near as hard as SCH. And with N.AST retaining a 15% heal increase, it's more than valid for SCHs to be feeling a little shafted from what we're seeing. I'm still reserving judgement for now, but now that we have numbers it's looking a little bleak for for both except AST who continues to get buffed even now. :'D