Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Feidam]

Woah now, I'm just one person wishing WHM stood a fair chance in the raid game. Why does one job have to be singled out to be for new players only and not for serious gameplay?

It is fully capable for serious gameplay. Some players refuse to take it for min/max meta reasons. Whether you like the whm or not it has always been capable of completing all content. The devs could easily just enforce the boss mechanic such as not allowing the skipping of a phase, ex. Soar, and you probably wouldn't see as many folks caring what healer was brought.

[IttyBitty]

It is fully capable for serious gameplay. Some players refuse to take it for min/max meta reasons. Whether you like the whm or not it has always been capable of completing all content. The devs could easily just enforce the boss mechanic such as not allowing the skipping of a phase, ex. Soar, and you probably wouldn't see as many folks caring what healer was brought.

Viable is not synonymous with desirable.

Being "able to clear" means nothing when groups refuse to take you because your class brings nothing to make the run easier beyond the baseline contribution that any other option could also provide. Making phases unskippable does not change this one iota.

[Mahkii]

It is fully capable for serious gameplay. Some players refuse to take it for min/max meta reasons. Whether you like the whm or not it has always been capable of completing all content. The devs could easily just enforce the boss mechanic such as not allowing the skipping of a phase, ex. Soar, and you probably wouldn't see as many folks caring what healer was brought.

There's a difference between the balance between jobs and whether the jobs that exist are still capable of completing content. In the raid game, we have a lot of competition. While we had no problem killing a12s with WHMs early on, that does not mean that WHM was competitive.

[Feidam]

There's a difference between the balance between jobs and whether the jobs that exist are still capable of completing content. In the raid game, we have a lot of competition. While we had no problem killing a12s with WHMs early on, that does not mean that WHM was competitive.

See this what I'm talking about. You had no problem completing the content with whm's early on. In other words you used it's advantages while learning then ditched it for the speed run meta. That is a failing of the player base not the class.

Keep in mind I'm not advocating not tweaking or adding to the white Mage. They are not as interesting to play imo.

[rainblack]

See this what I'm talking about. You had no problem completing the content with whm's early on. In other words you used it's advantages while learning then ditched it for the speed run meta. That is a failing of the player base not the class.

Problems are less severe earlier in the game because the game is more forgiving. Just because you can finish Sastasha with four tanks doesn't mean it's gonna hold up by postgame. WHM keeps up at early levels but then at later levels it just will not be equipped to do what's expected of it, no matter how good the player.

[Feidam]

Problems are less severe earlier in the game because the game is more forgiving. Just because you can finish Sastasha with four tanks doesn't mean it's gonna hold up by postgame. WHM keeps up at early levels but then at later levels it just will not be equipped to do what's expected of it, no matter how good the player.

We were not speaking of sastasha but raiding.

[rainblack]

We were not speaking of sastasha but raiding.

Exactly. You're seeing "WHM doesn't hold up in raids and we can't use it" and replying with "if WHM doesn't hold up in raids then don't use it." What does that accomplish?

[Feidam]

Exactly. You're seeing "WHM doesn't hold up in raids and we can't use it" and replying with "if WHM doesn't hold up in raids then don't use it." What does that accomplish?

Uh no I'm not. I'm saying the whm is perfectly useable in all content. And was pointing out that the earlier individual even used them to complete the content the ditched them when their advantage was not suitable for the speed farm meta. Which showed my point that players are imposing restrictions or the class.

[ToasterMan]

See this what I'm talking about. You had no problem completing the content with whm's early on. In other words you used it's advantages while learning then ditched it for the speed run meta. That is a failing of the player base not the class.

Well think of it this way. Pretty much every wall that progression teams come across are DPS checks, not healing checks. Lets say your team happens to be stuck on one of these. Which healer would you rather have in your party. The one that can provide DPS buffs so you can finally clear that check, or the healer that's going to give you nothing more than over healing?

The choice is obvious

[Feidam]

Well think of it this way. Pretty much every wall that progression teams come across are DPS checks, not healing checks. Lets say your team happens to be stuck on one of these. Which healer would you rather have in your party. The one that can provide DPS buffs so you can finally clear that check, or the healer that's going to give you nothing more than over healing?

The choice is obvious

Again my personal opinion is they can use some utility and a good mechanic, but that does not preclude the fact that most of the people pooing the whm used them to learn content then dropped it later when on farm for a new meta. Developing for an ever shifting player meta is not sustainable for the devs.