Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Reiryuu]

The simplest way to fix it would be the radical one: Remove Medica and Medica II.

Ummm.. no. AoE heals are not redundant, the radius on cure III is really small. Besides, did you notice in the first page the argument that WHM already has over 10 spells/effects fewer than both AST and SCH? We can't afford to lose any more of our abilities let alone ones we actually use quite often.

[Vaelin]

I'd like your arguments for that.

I'm not even sure where to begin, that's the issue.
Skill pruning - We already have a shockingly low amount of skills.
Actual common sense - You do realise Cure 3 is considered situational at best for Aoe healing? And no matter how strong you think the Lilies could be, the loss of Medica and Medica 2 could never equal it out to a better system. It would gut the class even more than it has been already, and that's already a joke.
Do I need to say any more at this point?

[Hustensaft]

We can't afford to lose any more of our abilities let alone ones we actually use quite often.

That's the point of the argument: Medica and Medica II, in combination with Regen, overshadow all three of the Cure spells -even if you add Lilies, Confession and the Assize Cooldown reduction.

Cure III Radius can be easily increased to Medicas (or you can rename Medica to Cure III, and get rid of Cure II).

As for counting abilities, let's count them properly, as in healing spells per class (stuff that restores HP):

WHM: 10 Healing Abilities
SCH: 6 Healing Abilities (Fairy AoE heal is counted, while the two buffs are not, just as Divine Seal and PoM isn't counted)
AST: 7 Healing Abilities (We count Celestial Opposition)

WHM has 3 or 4 more healing spells than either SCH or AST. You can not expect to use all of them.

I'm talking exclusively about spells that restore HP - and in that regard WHM is vastly ahead of both SCH and AST. In terms of total abilities, they might not be, but that doesn't matter here.

Skill pruning - We already have a shockingly low amount of skills.
Actual common sense - You do realise Cure 3 is considered situational at best for Aoe healing? And no matter how strong you think the Lilies could be, the loss of Medica and Medica 2 could never equal it out to a better system. It would gut the class even more than it has been already, and that's already a joke.
Do I need to say any more at this point?

Shocking low amount of skills? Total maybe, but in terms of stuff that restores HP, WHM is far ahead of SCH/AST. Pruning some of these abilities can actually be helpful.
Cure 3 is situational because of it's range, and cost. Both are factors that can easily be alter to be more similar to Medicas current behavior.

So i'm still waiting for some fool proof argument why Medica and Medica II are needed on a class that has 3-4 more active HP restoration abilties than SCH/AST.

[SilenceNocturnal]

As a White Mage main, i too am disappointed in the lilies as they currently work. Here's what i would personally love to see done:

- All critical hits except HoT ticks now provide a lily. Upping the speed in which the lilies are generated is the common consensus.

Here's what i would REALLY, love to see:
Lilies can be used for the following skills: Tetragrammaton, Assize, Asylum, Divine Benison

1 lily -> Reduce the cooldown for the next use by 20%
2 lilies -> Add a regen to Tetragrammaton, Assize and Divine Benison with a potency similar to that of a medica 2 regen, but allow for stacking of the two. For Asylum: add 10-15% damage reduction to anyone that's standing in the Asylum.
3 lilies -> Ensure a critical hit for Tetragrammaton, Assize and Divine Benison, or raise Asylum's potency.

*I thought about swapping the third and second additional actions, but i think the option of an ensured Assize crit warrants it to need 3 lilies.

[Saraphin]

As for counting abilities, let's count them properly, as in healing spells per class (stuff that restores HP):

WHM: 10 Healing Abilities
SCH: 6 Healing Abilities (Fairy AoE heal is counted, while the two buffs are not, just as Divine Seal and PoM isn't counted)
AST: 7 Healing Abilities (We count Celestial Opposition)

WHM has 3 or 4 more healing spells than either SCH or AST. You can not expect to use all of them.

I'm talking exclusively about spells that restore HP - and in that regard WHM is vastly ahead of both SCH and AST. In terms of total abilities, they might not be, but that doesn't matter here.

You're aware that they're billed as "PURE HEALERS". that's why they have more healing spells. We had 1 (or 2 if you count SS2) Shields, which we are losing to a gated Lily 1 person Shield.

You're really gonna bleeding nitpick over healing spells when anyone looking at the AST toolkit knows it's OverPowered? That it overshadows both the SCH and the WHM? No, this isn't even amusing.

[Reiryuu]

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Look. Seriously. Your solution is not a solution. Cure III has its uses. It's radius is around a target, not the white mage and its potency is higher. It is a rather useful spell when you have lots of targets that need healing right now in a tight pack. Your solution is like going to a doctor because you're having a heart attack and the doctor saying "Right, let's remove your kidneys, because you're not going to need them soon."

There is nothing wrong with the whm's healing kit as it stands currently. Now, as you said, do we need more heals like our level 70 skill? Hell no. We don't. If anything that skill should be changed to give us something that we really need. And, if SE is willing, give us some more abilities to replace the ones we lost. I mean, wasn't this their excuse to SMNs all this time for not having more Egis? Oh, no SMNs. Sorry. We need to keep ability counts across all jobs to be the same or at least similar... so much for that idea.

[Vaelin]

There must be this occult and esoteric mindset just floating in the air that caused some people to honestly think that taking as many spells away from white mage as possible is only helping it... clearly the same people who think RNG is a good way to reinforce a reliable, "pure healer".

[Mahkii]

Just wanted to drop by and leave a daily reminder to SE devs - why would raiders bring a WHM when we could have The Balance and Chain Stratagem?

[Vaelin]

Just wanted to drop by and leave a daily reminder to SE devs - why would raiders bring a WHM when we could have The Balance and Chain Stratagem?

^ I second this sentiment. It's simple questions like these that they need to keep asking themselves I feel.

[magnanimousCynic]

Can we not bring politics into this? We're salty enough as is. We don't need real world drama too.