Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Keridwyn]

I'm starting to see a lot of people who don't consistantly play WHM coming in and trying to convince us everything is fine. While yes, some of us have been hyperbolic in expressing what has been done to the class, some of us have been pretty measured and most of us are saying this isn't fine. No other class has this much of an uproar surrounding it and I don't think it's just because we WHM are 'sensitive' or too stubborn to change our playstyle. We legitimately have lost too much for too little and we need some adjustments.

[Fate_Testarossa]

I've played WHM a lot back in 2.0, not so much in 3.0 but I'd still like to give my suggestions.

First of all, I think the idea of a "pure healer" is wrong from the start. You should never shoehorn a Job into just one specific role. Even the most simple of jobs should at least have some sort of diversity. We have seen in the past that jobs that only focus on one single aspect usually didn't turn out to be very raid friendly and just in general were not on par with other classes. A good example for that would be PLD, MNK and WHM, also known as the "Trisaster of Heavensward", as in, most raids would prefer other jobs over them due to their lack of utility.

Now, while I do agree that WHM should probably be the sort of job that goes more for raw healing power, I do think there's nothing wrong with giving the job more raid utility and I have an idea that would even fit the role of the WHM. First of all both the lilies and the confessions effect needs to be replaced with something better, something that actually offers some raid utility. My suggestion would be something like this: Both Lilies and Confessions can be procced by every heal. When using the lilies the WHM does an AoE Heal with 300, 600 or 900 potency respectively. In essence the Lily mechanic would be reversal of the Confession mechanic, thus healing everyone through the WHM's Lilies.

As mentioned confessions would be procced through both single target and AoE heals. Each confession stack then adds a flat amount of Holy Damage to each attack, with the amount depending on how many stacks the user has. This would fit the WHM as a job. They pretty much "bless" the weapons of their comrades to increase their damage. It both fits the role AND would give WHM some raid utility, putting them a little closer to AST and SCH.

[magnanimousCynic]

12% CDR ? Source ? Cause actually everyone saying that 4%/10%/20% dude x)

Okay I made a mistake since I was info I thought was correct but the logic still stands. if you want 20% recast from your Lilies you need to spend a large amount of time and MP spamming Cure I to get what AST can get by just pressing Draw and Redraw if need, And AST probably wouldn't want to use Spear anymore since they can turn it into Extended RR or free damage/healing with Minor Arcana.

And I never said that you spam Regen, I said that you rely on Regen as a primary source of healing as it is more efficient than Cure I spam.

[Saigo]

It's a bonus not THE thing to do. In any content you can't just let your regen do the trick at some point you'll have to cure and in raid it'll happen alot. And yeah Spear sucks but having CDR freely but randomly with fillers seems everything exept bad. Yeah that could have been better but it works for all classes in many way.

lost too much for too little

Only Seal that would have been a nonsence with the lylies and stacks mechanique less cure = less stacks/lillies proc

No one speak about assize & benediction raw CD to balance.

No one speak about the free mana cost for 12 sec.

No one even consider the actual change that cleric stance modification will impact every heal.

You're only considering WHM apart from the others not the pary synergy or the impact of the dpsing aspect heals in general will have in raid.

[Metsonm]

Enought with this shty nonsense OFC every WHM that have a brain will drop Regen but you only spam regen ? No you drop it and then cure I and cure 2 they're to fil stop playing dumb or think a bit before saying shty nonsense. x)

Don't know if you're just ill informed or trolling but you keep throwing this out and on the off chance you're serious with this I feel I should correct you.

Cure isn't your filler spell. Stone III is your filler spell.

[Saigo]

You're so funny x')

[Aramina]

I'm starting to see a lot of people who don't consistantly play WHM coming in and trying to convince us everything is fine. While yes, some of us have been hyperbolic in expressing what has been done to the class, some of us have been pretty measured and most of us are saying this isn't fine. No other class has this much of an uproar surrounding it and I don't think it's just because we WHM are 'sensitive' or too stubborn to change our playstyle. We legitimately have lost too much for too little and we need some adjustments.

I don't even main WHM and the issues are so blindingly obvious that even a part-time WHM should be able to pick up on them.

Don't know if you're just ill informed or trolling but you keep throwing this out and on the off chance you're serious with this I feel I should correct you.

Cure isn't your filler spell. Stone III is your filler spell.

This is also a valid point and one I failed to touch upon. Filler spells are what you cast when nothing of a greater priority needs to be casted. If you are casting Cure I or Cure II on full health or people with adequate hot coverage then you are pissing away mana for no reason at all.

[Saraphin]

@Saigo: and you don't realize that people HAVE pointed the CD reductions out and no one has Refuted those points that they made. you seem to be here to just come off as "Stop whining and Git Gud".

[Keridwyn]

You're only considering WHM apart from the others not the pary synergy or the impact of the dpsing aspect heals in general will have in raid.

So the fact we have 4 less basic skills, are less flexible in our choice of Role abilities, and have a grand total of ten less abilites (counting cards and fairy skills) isn't losing too much?

[javid]

Here's an example of the power of cherry-picking to support an argument:

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/ptAZz...ing&source=403

You'll notice in this log that the whm and the sch had almost identical amounts healed, and that the whm cast med2 7 times and regen 6 times for a total of 13 casts. 2 cure 2s were cast along with 3 cure 1s for a total of 5 casts. If you were going to go by this data then clearly since medica 2 and regen were cast more times total than cure 1 and cure 2 then lily stacks should be tied to med2/regen, which may not necessarily be the case.

....Didn't I clearly and repeatedly state that SCH is a bad example as a off healer? They get free pet GCD equal to 300 potency embraces... of course if u have 3 healers total, whm is gonna do less curess (less healing in general). What's more funnier is the number of drones up-voting when they clearly missed the point too.... I said several times the examples cannot use a SCH as Off healer b/c the pet does the majority of the single target healing; go to that same parse you listed...........and open the sch healing tab and count the number of embraces the pet spams.......now imagine if they weren't there? or better yet whats the equivalent of replacing those um-teen embraces with Cures/regens and alike?? This is not an example that contrary to the points i made in my post.... this was just an attempt at a cheap shot


SCH PET CASTED 89 300 POTENCY EMBRACEs.........how many cures did you expect the whm to add to that??