Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Xaen

if you had to choose shroud of saints or Thin Air which would you prefer? I personally would take thin Air over Saints any day.

I would choose Divine Seal, oh wait...

Originally Posted by Xaen

if you had to choose shroud of saints or Thin Air which would you prefer? I personally would take thin Air over Saints any day.

Considering WHM has access to 31 skills and/or abilities/effects and the other two have access to more than 40, why should we have to make this decision at all?

Originally Posted by Xaen

if you had to choose shroud of saints or Thin Air which would you prefer? I personally would take thin Air over Saints any day.

if I take shroud of saints, will they give me a mechanic that doesn't punish me for healing properly instead of lilies?

The lillies mechanic would feel 10 times better if we had an ability that let us spend our Lillies on the ability we want. (Even though the bonus would still be bad)

Honestly it's just SO weird to me that in a game where a "pure healer" is only more useful than a utility healer during emergencies or huge damage spikes, we get a main job mechanic that... affects something fully 1-2 minutes after that emergency or damage spike is over, handled, and done with. I don't even know what it's intended to accomplish, much less whether it actually does accomplish it.

More frequent Assize as a spiritual replacement for Fluid Aura damage can also be a little problematic in some cases. On top of the problem with it wiping those infuriating lilies, there are sometimes phases/fights where you really don't want to do a sudden AoE blast - even without Cleric Stance on in the current design, you can accidentally kill adds which were meant to be left alive - or accidentally heal someone during a phase where you don't want to (though Thin Air will avoid cases where you're down on MP due to holding back on Assize). If crowd control ever becomes relevant as is being theorised, it can cause issues there too. Its power to do everything at once is a bit of a double-edged sword.

Not that I'm complaining about Assize, because I love Assize, but losing a chunk of our toolkit is really going to limit our versatility and leave us twiddling our thumbs when people are topped off. That's what I'm most afraid of as a casual. I guess we can use that time to fish for procs monotonously, but with such boring rewards I'd rather just keep DPSing. If they want us to be pure healers, why give us so little satisfaction from it?

I don't like the idea that we can't have (say) Haste because time magic is AST's 'thing', or we can't have Esuna-ga because cleansing is SCH's 'thing' (they're measurably better at it than us with two versions, after all), or we can't have a preemptive cleanse because they gave that to BRD already. The new confessions mechanic seems to be a crippled, half-baked attempt at making something like Afflatus Solace from FFXI, gutted to avoid any chance of stepping on the toes of AST/SCH. If they're willing to take inspiration from FFXI's WHM there's a goldmine of genuinely interesting situational tools they can add for us which add flavour without being overpowered.

Maybe it would be easier to think of interesting gameplay content for WHMs if they stopped pillaging our corpse to give other jobs bonuses all the time and started noticing how much flavour has been lost?

Originally Posted by javid

We can still shield* (a single player in 60 sec intervals) in set situations (assuming the lily consumption aspect is NOT a precursor and is just a perk. tool tips on some skills are misleading; we'll have to wait for release to verify everything...).

I will point out, Right now that TWO of the Released ToolTips say that Divine Benision uses All Lily Stacks (The skill it self and Secret of the Lilies...which reduces the CD...to at most i think we've said 60s skills will be down to 48s with 3 lilies)

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

While we're on the subject of Lucid Dreaming, will AST keep their built in enmity dampener on top of this?

as far ad i know its gone I believe it was attached to luminiferous aether, tho Lucid Dreaming got Shroud of Saints version which is better than what ASTs had, being an enmity dump rather than a reduction of generated.

In my opinion, healers should keep their own MP regen and heal boost becaus they all had a different one.

MP Regen :

White Mage : Increase the duration of Shroud of Saint to 21s, making White Mage have the best mana among the 3 healers with Assize and Thin Air.
Astrologian : Keep Luminiferous Aether to 24s because Ast only has one mp regen skill
Scholar : Keep the 20% regen on Aetherflow, it was fine.

Of course, remove it from the cross abilities

Heal Boost :

White Mage : Give him back Divine Seal. If you want White Mage to be a pure healer, this skill suits him very well. +30% every 60S. He should keep that, definitly.
Astrologian : Largess has the same cooldown and boost than Synastry so... give Synastry back the heal boost. It was fine like this.
Scholar : Dissipation and Fey Illumination, in other words, he doesn't need Largess and it's a buff for him to get than.

Then again, remove largess from the cross skill, every healers had their own skill and they were DIFFERENT