Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by javid

Another exaggeration and hi-jacking of the word UTILITY- set of abilities that you have access to..........which whm has a number of UTILITIES! If instead you meant you'd like for whm to have more direct dmg mitigation utilities or increase in raid dps utilities, then you should be more specific..... But don't say WHM has no utilities.....

Let me be very very specific. I would like utility of comperable worth to those of our co-healers. I do not want hotbar decorations like Repose and Fluid Aura. One sees no use, the other saw limited use as an oGCD damage spell. I think, considerig my suggestions, you would have understood I would take ANY utility as long as it is useful at all levels of content it can access.

Thin Air is a perfect example, more useful abilities please. Divine Benison is a compromise between Graniteskin and Stoneskin one but no replacement for Stoneskin II. It is still acceptable as a tank buster shield or weakness aid.

Originally Posted by Vaelin

No job will EVER be meant to be seen as a simple job compared to the others, so to those who are of that mentality I listed above ; do us all a favour and stop putting White Mage under that false bracket.

that's your opinion........

Fool or not..... you'd would not be on this forum reading/posting any of this if WHM wasnt second tier to AST/SCH..... so I guess up to this point the designers are fools too...... Either or; I hope your spirited post for the love of the great WHM also hasn't stem from a delusion that the classes have the same learning curve or simplicity of play or provide the same room for error or require the same level of attention to detail....b/c by "foolish design" they aren't the same in capability with JUST varying game-play.

You can't tell us with confidence what is MEANT to be unless you're on the design team or have access to their intention in a way we don't.... What u could tell us is what you currently SEE with your eyes. You see WHM left out of meta, you see skill gaps and steep learning curves among the various jobs.

Originally Posted by fantasticm

You've been making less and less sense since you started posting in this thread.

....for a moment troll, u almost roped me in.... lol

Originally Posted by Quor

I gotta call BS on this one. WHM has had Stoneskin, which is a fancy name for "single target shield based on the targets max HP" since 2.0 dropped. They had Graniteskin, which made the WHM version of SS stronger than the version SCH could slot, and this gave WHM niche; SCH was the "main" shielder, with the potential for more common shields via Succor and Adlo, while WHM was the "conditional" shielder. I remember back in the day, as a WAR tanking Titan Hard pre-IB change. If I had a good WHM/SCH combination with me, I didn't have to fear Mountain Buster. The Graniteskin from a good WHM and a SCH who was on point with Adlo made all the difference. And it felt nice, seeing that kind of coordination give the result that it did.

So, no, I wouldn't say WHM has *never* been the shielder. They weren't the primary shielder, but they sure as hell had a shield that every healer (and PLD too!) slots on their bar 100% of the time at level cap.

And now that's gone. For a mechanic on a much longer cooldown, gated behind a mostly-RNG based system that rewards suboptimal play.

Stoneskin @ 18% shield, was definitely stronger than adlo (noncrit & no healing buffs) on a tank. It was comparable, however, to adlo when shielding a dps/healer though.

Ever since they reduced it to 10% SE has removed all in game mechs that ABSOLUTELY required two targets receive a shield as potent as Adlo. Nor is there any current mech that REQUIRES both a Stoneskin + Adlo on a single target. Last example of a mech that required double shielding was in T10--if the shield wasn't strong enough for either target, the target would receive a debuff. Last example of mech that made the utmost use of double shielding a single target was t13!!! DAMN-those flattens followed by flare breath were nooo joke....

Unless you're running double WHM, there is no instance where you need a stoneskin when Adlo and Aspect Benefic can do you better, so that's probably why they removed it and gave you something better (though it's not as strong as Stoneskin was at its prime).

Even in Stoneskin's prime, when it use to be 18% of your max HP, it was a situational skill. Cure II for the same mp and shorter cast time gave almost double the potency in effective HP. Basically if the dmg mech did NOT need to be completely absorbed by the Stoneskin, or the target needed additional assistance to having max hp+cds, casting stoneskin was a waste of mp. A Retroactive cure II would have accomplish more healing and require less casting time.


Also fact check: getting Divine benison to execute every minute is 100% possible 100% of the time; at WORST it would cost you a GCD....but then again OLD stoneskin when a situation call for its use....cost you a GCD. Only differences are 18% and 15% and you could spam old Stoneskin until the cows come home. Just b/c you could cast the 18% all day everyday didnt mean it was needed all day everyday.... (thinking bk? I doubt it was even absolutely NEEDED anymore often than once...a minute)