Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Suzushiiro]

Hell, if you want a super low-effort solution just make Assize have no cooldown but cost a full bar of lilies, tuning lily generation rate/max number of lilies accordingly. It's pretty much built to be a button that's useful to push no matter what situation you're in, so having it be the thing that lilies build up to would work pretty well.

[javid]

...nonsense...

Talk about a troll....

Anyways. the probability is of 20% chance of getting a confession is like 1 of 5 cures. And the more cures over 5 you output the more chances of at least getting 1 and potentially more. so lets just be funny and say RNG shits on us every pull each pull always and we only get 1 confession every 10 cures (half of the listed probability). That would mean an effect recast time of 10 gcds (20sec- 25 sec recast). that's still a 400 minimum potency with a 20-25 sec recast, ogcd, centered off the target for 30 yalms.... it will reach everybody..... (even if the tank is 6 yalms directly in front of the party that's still 24 yalms effective aoe around the party.. basically the same as medica ii 25 yalm radius).

So yea that is a very reliable skill IFF PI is the only utility that consumes confessions. ( And the confession stack last 30 sec so u can most definitely prep it pre pull the way we stack buff now b4 a pull.)

Mind you this is all on top of the cures we still have and asylum and medica and assize and tetragram and Benny.....so hardly (just on the basis of ability in a vaccum) is SE telling us to go play AST/SCH


EDIT
FOR YOU NERD OUT THERE!!! the probability of landing AT LEAST 1 confession out of 5 attempts given a 20% success rate is 67% chance; getting at least 1 out of 10 attempts jumps your chances up to 89%; and finally getting at least 1 out of 12 attempts is 93% chance!! 67% is a bit meh... but anything upward of 80% is dependable. And the gcd cost for 80%+ reliability is 20-30 sec [effective recast of the ability].

Yes anything less than 100% is not SCRIPT rotation reliable and min/max'ers will complain about SE adding more RNG to the game (but RNG is good in the form of dynamic play. Rather than a static test of how well you can memorize a sequence then execute).

[Saraphin]

This...this is the reason WHY this is bad:

i was talking about the changes and this is what someone said when i said we get the skills taken away from us:

[12:37 PM] M S: what the heck is a x role
[12:38 PM] M S: you mean cross class?
[12:39 PM] M S: if so, isn't that better? WHM still has them, and now the other healers can use them too
[12:42 PM] Dante: no
[12:42 PM] Dante: we get them taken away
[12:42 PM] Dante: we have to cross class/x-role them
[12:42 PM] Dante: to have them.
[12:43 PM] M S: so we can still use them
[12:43 PM] M S: what's the big deal?

[Sebazy]

You...you're trolling right? You can't be serious.

No, perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension a little?

AST has higher potency heals

Wrong - AST is 10 potency up on it's cure, 10 potency down (and a full tick short) on it's regen as far as bread and butter healing goes. The MP disparity is nothing new, the Assize buffs and Thin Air will heal to compensate for that. As far as the media build went, SCH is the one that needs to be crying foul here, not WHM

ludacrous shields on gcd

Agreed - Isn't this more of a problem for SCH though?

less randomness in their cards

Soso - This could go either way, sleeve draw looks nice, but the addition of a ability to remove cards has me worried that you won't be able to click them off anymore which has the potential to offset the extra cards that sleeve draw will bring into play. Too many factors to say until we've seen Omega and played with this first hand.

And for what so a whm's emergency aoe heal is affected by random procs on the target

Assize called, it wants you to know that it still loves you <3 - Plenary Indulgence clearly isn't intended to be an emergency aoe heal at all, the 30 second duration on confession stacks pretty much seals that right out of the gate. However, try really hard for me and ignore the aoe aspect of it for a moment.... Are you there yet? Good, now think about how powerful a free 400+ potency insta cast on a 15 second cooldown in any situation where a tank is taking enough sustained damage. Now double it if you've got 2 tanks taking hits. It isn't an aoe panic button by any stretch, it is however an interesting mishmash of a tank specific lustrate and synastry. In trivial content and dungeons it'll be nigh useless, for progression raiding where you're actually having to spam cure the tank(s) I suspect it's going to scale up impressively.

Whm is SCREWED in 4.0.

Nope - The only thing that I see as screwed with these healer changes is SCHs AoE DPS gameplay, 2 dots, and then 2 oGCDs (one with a 1 minute CD) whilst single target nuking? Really SE? AST is a utility powerhouse pre 50, yet it's dull and feels weak because if it's inability to aoe properly pre gravity. Seems kind of silly to condemn SCHs to a similar feel in dungeons at the end game =(

[CamBam67]

SE, whoever designed/tested this and said, "Yeah, this will work." Should lose their jobs. Please make sure WHM gets the same love as the other jobs.

#SAVETHEWHM

[Etwo]

How do you fall asleep with Thin Air + 5 Holy, the best burst aoe damage in the game? Every single speed run group is going to favor WHM over the other two.

Cleric stance maybe. You just do dps and heal at the same time. There is no risk no pressure no fun in healing anymore.

[Faliandra]

This whole lily gauge feels completely random and not really cohesive to the job.

Kind of like,they had a nice idea going for every other job where a gauge would be useful.
Except WHM. so they just added something to it. Something thats rather useless.


I'll still lvl WHM because they'll still be best to dish out dps in dungeons. So it may just be my "roulette main".
You know...to carry the lazy dps.

[AlphaSonic]

This...this is the reason WHY this is bad:

i was talking about the changes and this is what someone said when i said we get the skills taken away from us:

[12:37 PM] M S: what the heck is a x role
[12:38 PM] M S: you mean cross class?
[12:39 PM] M S: if so, isn't that better? WHM still has them, and now the other healers can use them too
[12:42 PM] Dante: no
[12:42 PM] Dante: we get them taken away
[12:42 PM] Dante: we have to cross class/x-role them
[12:42 PM] Dante: to have them.
[12:43 PM] M S: so we can still use them
[12:43 PM] M S: what's the big deal?

Even Worse because WHM not only lost Divine Seal. It got nerfed and increased Cooldown. AST lost the healing part of Synastry, but with the new Divine Seal it's still the same and SCH got it for free.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

..

First off, you only build these resources off of Cure and Cure II. Your very BASIC heals. The secondary stat being even worse because only the person you heal gets a confession stack, meaning people without confessions stacks simply aren't healed.

How is this any good at all? It's locked behind way too much RNG that requires you to slam the most basic heals. Meanwhile both SCH and AST gets massive utility updates. Do you have any idea what this is going to do to their raid relevance? Hell they're not even fun to play in dungeons at this rate.

[Saraphin]

Even Worse because WHM not only lost Divine Seal. It got nerfed and increased Cooldown. AST lost the healing part of Synastry, but with the new Divine Seal it's still the same and SCH got it for free.

exactly. we're losing EVERYTHING and the other classes are getting it for free.

even the "Rescue" which they debuted on WHM is going to be X-role...

HEY! @SE you guys seeing what you did wrong yet?