Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[SenorKanga]

None of us actually have any idea how the whm toolkit or feel are going to turn out but as expansions are added and hp totals rise surely pure healing is going to become more useful anyway.

[Gemina]

My point in mentioning Thunder was that the single target spells will stack and the AoE spells will stack. If Stone IV is an AoE, then it should not/ would not stack with the single target spells, since there will always be times when you prefer to use single target spells instead of AoEs.

There's nothing wrong with that. You simply want it to stack since it is a tier IV spell. My point with Thunder is you have tier 1-4, and they are split, yet you don't have an issue with that?

While it would be nice for it to be single target, and you only take up one hotbar slot, and never worry again. But I will gladly use up another hotbar slot for a Stonega, while using another for Stone 1-3. Stone IV would be greyed out in lower instances, which is nothing we are not already used to. You still have Stone 3 for single target, much like Aero 2.

[Gemina]

Well given the fact on the very slide where they talked about combining actions in this manner, they specifically listed Stone I through Stone IV, I'd say it's almost certainly a single target spell.

Nah! I'll bet you 100 kupo nuts, and my Niddy card, which you can trade for 1500 MGP if you already have it

[KarstenS]

hm i dont see any whm in these groups..

Then you did it wrong.

[KarstenS]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...of_a12s_party/

This analysis suggests otherwise. Scholar remained fairly consistent throughout Heavensward while Astro pulled ahead significantly the higher parse percentile climbed. Checking overall rankings on FFLogs based on parse uploaded, White Mage averaged approximately half their other healer counterparts through Creator; a substantially drop from Midas where they averaged more than double Astro.

Yes they dropped. But when you count all pages of all 3 healers in "Standard Comp" (not the later ones as these don't matter for anything), the Whitemage is inbetween both.

Numers of SE own statistics will be similiar and these numbers are the base SE will make their decicions. That was also the reason they said on EU Fanfest "Healers are balanced well". Its not about how good they are. Its just about how many of them get used by ppl.

[MizArai]

There's nothing wrong with that. You simply want it to stack since it is a tier IV spell. My point with Thunder is you have tier 1-4, and they are split, yet you don't have an issue with that?.

My issue isn't that I want it to stack since it's a tier IV spell... In the Live Letter they showed that Stone, Stone II, Stone III, and Stone IV will all stack together. If it's an AoE spell, it would stack separately instead (like they said Thunder and Thunder III stack since both are single target and said that Thunder II and Thunder IV stack separately since both will be AoE). I'm not sure how else to make that clear to you.

[MizArai]

Question: Can someone explain why I keep seeing stuff about speculation that Presence of Mind is gone? In the Live Letter Yoshi-P did have that on his bars. Are we speculating it will be changed because of the lily job thing, or are people just freaking out and didn't notice it there?

[Sebazy]

Oh, really now. Then please, tell me why, for example, I barely ever found a duty finder group for stuff like Zurvan willing to take a WHM with them.

Not really a legit point, there is generally always a couple of PFs that only want PLD and WHM for A12S, bads will be bad =(

Tell me why 90% of all raid statics search AST/SCH instead of WHM.

Prove your worth and I suspect they will be happy to let you run WHM. Communicate and ask. If they still flat out refuse, I suspect you're dodging a bullet.

If WHM isn't a liability, then why does nobody want to take the class for anything but casual or farm content.

This is so because unfortunately people will blindly follow the meta if they don't know better =(

because why take it when AST is simply better in everything it does. Can WHM clear everything? YES. Is WHM prefered for anything, or has significant advantages over AST or SCH? NO.

WHMs have the best single target dps as well as significantly less ramp up time than SCH.
WHMs have the best aoe burst potential (at the expense of sustainability).
WHMs have the best aoe HPS potential bar none.
WHMs have the biggest aoe range.

Gordias played to this beautifully, healing A1S and A3S as an AST was horrible, missing someone with helios risked a wipe at times during progression. Creator is the polar opposite and just doesn't require any of the kit WHMs bring to the table. I can think of 1 point in the entire tier where I missed Cure 3's HPS throughput nor were there any points where Medica II's was missed. This is more of a content issue than any intrinsic fault with the job itself.

The elephant in the room here is (the ironically named) balance. As things appear at the moment, 4.0 is going be a godsend for WHMs personal DPS and whilst it's clearly not going to make up for balance in a raid setting, I don't feel that it's a 'liability' at all. If the content deems to reward a WHMs strengths then it'll be right back in the mix.

[Snat]

Question: Can someone explain why I keep seeing stuff about speculation that Presence of Mind is gone? In the Live Letter Yoshi-P did have that on his bars. Are we speculating it will be changed because of the lily job thing, or are people just freaking out and didn't notice it there?

I have no idea why this is being said. Some people might be confusing it with Divine Seal and then it just spread as a rumor maybe.

[Neela]

What is it you think a WHM can do that a Scholar and Astrologian can't do while providing just as sufficient healing power as a white mage does?

up to 6-7k reg ticks. that's a unique thing none of the other healers can provide ^^

edit: oh and of course this:

This is so because unfortunately people will blindly follow the meta if they don't know better =(

WHMs have the best single target dps as well as significantly less ramp up time than SCH.
WHMs have the best aoe burst potential (at the expense of sustainability).
WHMs have the best aoe HPS potential bar none.
WHMs have the biggest aoe range.