Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Sebazy

nonsense

Reading this makes me want to stab my own eyes out. Let's cover it step by step...

Originally Posted by Sebazy

Not really a legit point, there is generally always a couple of PFs that only want PLD and WHM for A12S, bads will be bad =(

So you are telling me my point is not legit because BAD players still want my class? And that should console me why exactly? At the danger of sounding snobby here, I'm a decent player and want to play with other decent players, meaning I won't join bad statics. I'm not that desperate yet to play with scrubs.

Originally Posted by Sebazy

Prove your worth and I suspect they will be happy to let you run WHM. Communicate and ask. If they still flat out refuse, I suspect you're dodging a bullet.

In case you didn't read it, what I suspect you didn't: I can't even join these groups because they preclude WHMs to join to begin with. And since you apparently didn't read this, either, I can "prove my worth" as much as I want, I still have groups who let me sub in for someone missint complain about them being slower because I'm a WHM and not a broken-a** AST. But at least I can agree with the "dodging a bullet" part, though sadly there are awfully many bullets I dodged lately. Which is, again, kind of the problem here.

Originally Posted by Sebazy

This is so because unfortunately people will blindly follow the meta if they don't know better =(

That's the entire problem here, if you didn't know yet. So you have to help WHM return to the meta or it falls off the edge completely. More personal DPS (if we even get that, and if we can even sustain it with the other changes) won't help even one. bit.

Originally Posted by Sebazy

WHMs have the best single target dps as well as significantly less ramp up time than SCH.
WHMs have the best aoe burst potential (at the expense of sustainability).
WHMs have the best aoe HPS potential bar none.
WHMs have the biggest aoe range.

Something something cards something something group DPS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal DPS
Also something something higher heals mean dead s**t if they are unnecessary and if everyone else can dish out sufficient healing as well.

Originally Posted by Sebazy

Gordias played to this beautifully, healing A1S and A3S as an AST was horrible, missing someone with helios risked a wipe at times during progression. Creator is the polar opposite and just doesn't require any of the kit WHMs bring to the table. I can think of 1 point in the entire tier where I missed Cure 3's HPS throughput nor were there any points where Medica II's was missed. This is more of a content issue than any intrinsic fault with the job itself.

And that's exactly why WHM needs utility, and why they will likely never design content like Gordias ever again. They want all job compositions to be able to clear content, none to be mandatory, and that simply WON'T EVER HAPPEN if one class can do dead s**t besides healing while all others can, and all others can heal content just as well as the class that can do dead s**t besides healing. There will NEVER BE a second Gordias, because then another class might be left out again because it can't heal enough, which they want to prevent at all costs.

Also, seriously? That old, stupid argument about the 5 yalm more on Medica II? SERIOUSLY? In case you missed it, Cure III got 6... lowest range of all group heals, while arguably being the strongest. And if people are unable to stay in heal range, they deserve to die, end of discussion. Besides, I cleared those exact fights with an AST partner, and she did just fine despite missing those oh-so-important 5 range. Just saying. But maybe my group was just better than yours at positioning and dodging?

Originally Posted by Sebazy

The elephant in the room here is (the ironically named) balance. As things appear at the moment, 4.0 is going be a godsend for WHMs personal DPS and whilst it's clearly not going to make up for balance in a raid setting, I don't feel that it's a 'liability' at all. If the content deems to reward a WHMs strengths then it'll be right back in the mix.

Yes, balance is ONE of the many, many problems. NO, more personal DPS for WHM, if that will even be a thing, still doesn't mean dead s**t in the light of what AST can do, and continues to can do. (Also, petition to rename the card UNbalance, since that's what it really does. Or even better, petition to remove it from the game altogether.)

Also, I got the feeling that you are trolling me by now, judging from this... "answer" you gave me...

Originally Posted by Docteur_Fluttershy

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I'm afraid I fail to see how this is a buff to mp management, though...

Originally Posted by javid

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And sadly, it will continue to be that way, because some people, devs and players alike, are apparently just too blind to see what's glaringly obvious to everyone with half a brain.
Also, no, pure healer won't work unless they up incoming damage to the point the plus in healing is needed, at which point everyone else will start to b**ch and moan again that WHM is mandatory.

Originally Posted by Docteur_Fluttershy

All three healer get a 21S shroud from cross skill
WHM loses his shroud
AST loses his lumi
SCH loses the 20% on aetherflux (i would be surprised he doesnt while having access to shroud and not losing his main mp management skill)

leaving them with, as personnal mp skills:
Assize (10%) for WHM
CO and Ewer for AST
Drain for Sch

Which, in my opinion, seems quite decent for all 3. Both AST and SCh mp management get nerfed, WHM get boosted, but all 3 seems to finaly get close to each other in this aspect.

why would they nerf 2 other jobs just to buff whm? thats stupid beyond stupid. Sch have many other abilities tied to aetherflow stacks, they cant always rely on energy drains, that would break sch in many aspects. Shroud is completely useless for a sch since they generate no agro and the refresh every 2min is completely garbage compared to the current aetherflow.
Not to mention spells have a different mp cost, adlo cost a lot more than other skills, it makes no sense to have all healers with the same mp management if the spells cost are different.

The thing is, Shroud is gonna be cross skill.
And if you look at the mp management, both AST and SCH have a better mana management than WHM at the moment, which is one of the issues that needed to be addressed.

It is supposed to be a fusion of lumi and Shroud from what we saw, so both these skills will disapear for lucid dream.

Now you have this situation:
Will sch keep the 20% mana regen on aetherflux or will aetherflux just give the 3 stacks?

Because if he still have the 20% mana every minutes AND the lucid dream, the mp management of SCh will be inexistent, even more since he will focus on using his stacks to dps, therefore gaining more mana.

As i said, Aetherflux stacks wouldnt be changed at all, just the 20% mana would be removed, and it is just supposition. If it is not removed, the whole thing is a huge buff to SCH mp regen, to the point that he wont have to manage mp at all.

NOw we change the thread from whm utility to why nerf ast/sch to make whm great again! lool


Why would they nerf to jobs to make whm lives matter?? B/c Ast and Sch should have never gotten the buffs they got in the first place!!! Does it seem fair that a job (SCH) SHOULD HAVE OP instant heals/regen; OP shields and OP dmg reduction utility.....

then another job (AST) SHOULD HAVE fairly decent instant/regen heals, good shields, decent reduction abilites, and OP raid dps!!!

BUT the last job (WHM) SHOULD HAVE EXCESSIVE instant/regen healing, noo shields (stoneskin... really??), virutally no dmg reduction utility (eye 4 eye is on a 3min timer... and virus is only physical/dex), and no RAID dps increase [note: whm has the highest PERSONAL dps of the 3 healers]

HOw can the community at large not see there is a seriouuuuss gap here????

Removed the SCHs OP instant/regen heals or lock them behind excessively long cds
Return AsT back to the weaker Card buffs or make their healing less potent
OR GIVE WHM A SHIT TON OF MORE STUFF WHICH WOULD DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF HAVING EACH JOB BRINGING UNIQUENESS TO THE PARTY.........