Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Edited my post because I took a gander at said poster's profile and felt a little mean.

It looks like they've come back after a hiatus, WHM is their only class and it's in Yasha/ Gordian gear, so they likely haven't played much of anything past the original HW MSQ as far as level 60 content goes.

Have you seen the posts that person made in regards of healer damage and cleric stance? They skip over any logical argument and just keep repeating something about how healers need only to heal while hwm only uses cure I and cure II and having huge amounts of downtime like this:
https://youtu.be/jBgMe5uHPsE?t=558
is apparently a myth and that you can experience current content in i190 gear.

Also seems to ignore that I am an alt that healed though most of this game to end level twice ?>.>

Point to you here after I had enough of it:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4170466

Originally Posted by QooEr

i read the whole thing, i was just saying that it has actually 0 utility. and having mitigation on 2 healers is actually incredibly good since u have to heal less and u can dps more. about that, diurnal ast still has more mitigation than whm in the form of collective unconscious and the bole.

o.o But unless I am just awfully and terribly mistaken, don't many of of mitigation skills not stack? And don't they take time where you are not dpsing in order to cast then? :X Same as how as WHM must take time away to heal or cast regen o.O

One of the main problems is that due to how the system is designed, you're not going to get a 20% reduction on Assize unless you play in a very specific inefficient manner. As others have stated, it will take about 38 seconds on average of doing nothing but spamming cure to hit 3 lillies. During this time, you cannot use Asylum, Tetra, or Benison. Then you finally hit 3, use them to knock a whopping 12 seconds off your recast, start cure bombing to build lillies up again, and on average you will have a mere 10 seconds, about 3-4 GCDs, to actually dps. This is most assuredly NOT using the new mechanics to give you massive amounts of MP and free time to DPS.

Alternatively, you can play like we currently do, utilizing regens most of the time to keep the tank up and only really needing to toss out a cure or cure II when a tankbuster hits or they've got everything from here to doomsday on their ass. In which case, you'll probably only see one lily, if that. So, best case scenario, you shave a whole 2 seconds off Assize's cooldown! I'm sorry, 2.4, you need the decimals when working with numbers this small. And that's assuming you literally remove Asylum and Tetra from your hotbar and never even bother putting Benison on it.

So, yeah. No matter how you look at it, the system as currently designed encourages you not to use a significant portion of your toolkit, and in return you get barely any increase at all. Even NOTHING would have been preferable, then we wouldn't have folks screaming on the forums about how spamming cure and cure II is the "proper" way to play, and that actually using the more efficient regens is playing the game wrong.

Originally Posted by Urthdigger

snip.

As many have also stated, you don't want to revolve around playing the game towards the lily system. Thin Air and the 30 second assize reduction are already major by themselves. The lily system does not need to be played around, but it's use can still be a nice bonus. Not to mention, again that as far as we know, cure and cure II may become much more viable in Stormblood. Especially with their extra potency buff.

Now, I'm not saying we're all gonna go forget regen or medica II (because they are just way too amazing, for sure) but for all we know monsters won't attack in such a predictable manner. Attacks could become much less scripted and more algorithm based and require more reaction based healing (which is exactly what cure and cure II would be good for.) Now, of course that's just an example and there are many other ways they have possibly gone about it. Or maybe they haven't gone about it at all and then yes, some worry is warranted. But that's the thing. We don't know. We simply don't. And I personally find it incredibly hard to believe they will keep the same setup and systems that we've seen in Heavensward, after they have failed so hard.

Originally Posted by Savagelf

have you play 4.0 white mage anyone? If not please wait till after 4.0 before comments

Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i feel the same, before judge a change, try it...

One does not need to play the game when the tool tips are out and the reviews are in from community members that actually have played it. And they do not paint it in a very positive light at all. The Lilly/Confession system is just broken at its core and is so unbelievably ass-backwards in how a WHM is played that it's a wonder this concept even made it past the drawing board, let alone into the final game.

It's like you people stumbled through 20+ pages and absorbed nothing of what has been said.

Originally Posted by Epo

As many have also stated, you don't want to revolve around playing the game towards the lily system. Thin Air and the 30 second assize reduction are already major by themselves. The lily system does not need to be played around, but it's use can still be a nice bonus. Not to mention, again that as far as we know, cure and cure II may become much more viable in Stormblood. Especially with their extra potency buff.

I went over that in the second paragraph. If we don't specifically alter our playstyle to focus on gathering lilies, you're going to see one, at most, for Assize. That's almost nothing. Alternatively, if they tune fights so that we need to use our HoTs, oGCDs, AND spam cure often enough to reliably have multiple lilies, then the other two healers are kinda fucked. Also those lilies are probably not going to assize unless we specifically avoid casting our other oGCD heals, which is the other big issue I have with this system.

Originally Posted by Gemina

"Give an inch. Take a mile." I use that saying often here because this is a great example of it. 4% reduction to a 60 sec CD (currently the shortest) is nearly the equivalent of a global cooldown. How often is it mentioned here just how valuable those are? So much so that clipping DoTs is a big no-no, and weaving in Aero on your way to cast Fluid Aura is a big yes-yes? Why have you all of a sudden forgotten? Let's say you run, what I consider to be an average of a 14-minute dungeon run. How many free gcds does that come to assuming you get one lily per CD (which you will)? I'm terrible at math.

4% reduction to a 60 second CD Assize, over the course of a 14 minute dungeon, assuming you use the Assize on CD, equates to a single extra Assize cast. You don't get a second extra Assize until 24 minutes. So 300 aoe potency damage and healing over 14 minutes. Yay?

For good measure: 20% reduction to a 60 second CD Assize over 14 minutes would be an extra four casts, again, over 14 minutes, for 1200 extra potency. It's pretty underwhelming.