SE Please add jump and swiming

[Nakiamiie]

Well said Zaireeka2025!

[Alerith]

Honestly, would it kill for both sides to meet halfway on this?

A structured jump feature gives both sides what they want, more or less. You can't bunny hop all over the place and you can't try to get "out of bounds" but you'll still have your ability to scale/jump cliffs and fences. You walk up to a fence and you get a prompt to jump it. Tie that prompt to a key and boom, instant terrain jump. Same for cliffs. At least with a structured jump feature, animations can be adjusted for the varying sizes of the different races.

As far as swimming goes, I would actually be fairly happy if it was in FFX and had whole areas devoted to underwater segments. But not bobbing around in zones that don't actually have a use for it. A whole underwater dungeon would be cool, having to swim to it and do some "dry" areas of it.

The zones in 2.0 simply need to be designed for it, and I think it would be beneficial to both sides if it was prompt based instead of free hop.

[Jennestia]

Honestly, would it kill for both sides to meet halfway on this?

Seems it would, since people will keep attacking and blaming people who play FFXI, mostly due to their own dislike for the product (no other reason to continually attack the fact someone plays a specific MMORPG.)

[IveraIvalice]

Onidemon, you must be my brother from another mother because you respond before I can; saying pretty much what I want to say each time. Regardless, let's not get carried away with the "FFXI-2" debate cuz its a waste of time. Stop giving Jennestia something to type at. She, and the many others against jump, just want to win this argument on any level possible. "Jump looks stupid!" What a stupid argument, and it's the only one they've really got.

There's good reasoning behind why Yoshi wanted to implement jump, and its very simple. The year is 2011 (soon to be 2012). That's it. It's the same reason why every single first-person shooter out there no longer plays like Wolfenstein 3D or Doom. It's the same reason why FFXIV has an action bar palette of skills to choose from at the bottom of the screen. Let's be real; Final Fantasy XI copied all the good mmo's of its time... namely Everquest.

What people (especially FFXI players) are forgetting is that we're dealing with Square Enix here. Not Blizzard. So if SE decides they want to add another dimension to the game like jump, then you know it will be done beautifully and with respect to the way they make games. They just added jump to FFXIII-2 and it's awesome, because SE did it. Not Blizzard. I think we all (especially FFXI conservatives) have to remember: Square Enix is making this game. Not Blizzard. If Yoshi (Producer and Director at Square Enix) wants to add jump, let him. Because I'm pretty damn sure they will all do a fine job implementing it.

As for all these "bunny rabbits" jumping around in all the other mmo's out there. Call me crazy, but why in the world does that even bother people?! You people that hate jump consider yourselves some kind of Final Fantasy elitists who think our game sets itself apart from "all those other mmo's" because we are glued to the ground like prisoners of some Gravity spell. Get over yourselves. Is seeing people jump really going to ruin the game experience for y'all? The answer is NO. It won't. You guys will still play and enjoy this game regardless and forget about this whole debate. Seeing people jump shouldn't drive ppl insane, and if it does... then y'all got problems and need to see a therapist for something so menial like a fundamental mmo mechanic. Get off your high-horses, stop setting yourselves apart from the rest of the world, and accept that MMORPG games have evolved.

Jumping. Swimming. Climbing. Flying. All these have made major impacts in the genre. If any of these are ever added to a FINAL FANTASY game, it would be awesome and welcome. Especially because SE would be doing it. Not Blizzard.

this was the funniest thing i've seen all day. this post was nothing but garbage. 2012, thats it. lol what?
because SE is doing it. thats not proof, games reference other games and all i've seen in other mmos is stupid jumping.

i have herd some good ideas going out by other people who didnt waste 1/4 of a page. like having jumping be in specific areas to get over things, and having cooldowns.
you guys know our argument and we know yours, stop wasting space and time and think of solutions.

thank you to everyone who is actually trying to compromise

[Zaireeka2025]

I'm going to repost this as a response to meeting halfway (I'm pretty sure most will agree with me on these):

My vision for jump:

~Have it so that players can jump whenever they want/need, but make it realistic and in-tune with the current high quality animation style. This means a fairly instant jump upon button activation, but ending with a nice smooth landing animation which needs to finish its cycle before being able to spam it again. This would avoid what FFXI players fear the most in terms of incessant bunny hopping.

~Have jump actually coincide with the design of 2.0 so that there could be reasons to jump (i.e. in dungeons over pitfalls that could drop us a level below). Falling from heights too high would hurt our HP (like in Zelda), but cliffsides should still have invisible walls (no need to fall off cliffs since this would only be an instant death hassle).

~If jumping was to be implemented into battles (this one's for you Jynx), they shouldn't be regular jumps but instead dodging rolls in all directions.

~If/when swimming is added, let us climb (yes, climb) up ladders/vines to high ledges and swan dive into the water. This would be awesome as an entrance to an instanced dungeon.

~Allow us to jump while on chocoback, but let us glide down to the ground with certain (black) chocobos.

[Jennestia]

I'm going to repost this as a response to meeting halfway (I'm pretty sure most will agree with me on these):

Reasonable...but wait:

This would avoid what FFXI players fear the most in terms of incessant bunny hopping.

Which goes right back to what I said:

Seems it would, since people will keep attacking and blaming people who play FFXI, mostly due to their own dislike for the product (no other reason to continually attack the fact someone plays a specific MMORPG.)

You could have easily made your opinion without yet again attacking the fact someone plays a specific MMORPG. Those 'FFXI players' can't have a "fear of incessant bunny hopping" if their argument is surrounding the fact they play FFXI, a game without jump.

[DNO]

It takes a lot of hatred for something to sit there and state that players of another MMORPG is why no one will play FFXIV, ignoring the obvious reasons why people left and haven't returned yet.

Protip: It's not because of people who play FFXI.

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I do not mind having a different view but AT LEAST have it make sense. "I don't wonna see other people jump" DOES NOT make sense IMO... im sorry

Also lots of other FF titles had jump and guess what? it was still an awesome game.

[Zaireeka2025]

this was the funniest thing i've seen all day. this post was nothing but garbage. 2012, thats it. lol what?
because SE is doing it. thats not proof, games reference other games and all i've seen in other mmos is stupid jumping.

i have herd some good ideas going out by other people who didnt waste 1/4 of a page. like having jumping be in specific areas to get over things, and having cooldowns.
you guys know our argument and we know yours, stop wasting space and time and think of solutions.

thank you to everyone who is actually trying to compromise

Actually, those good ideas you read were probably some of mine. My 1/4 page rant was me attempting to bring the debate back into focus. The fact that we want jump is simple. Yoshi thinks so too. Even he can recognize the reasons for not having it is the only garbage going around these forums.

[Jennestia]

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As I clearly stated -- I keep up with Japanese and western media regarding FFXIV, not one person specifically wrote:

"I refuse to play FFXIV because of FFXI players."

You know what they did write?

"XIV's UI is sluggish and unresponsive at times"

"XIV has a lack of content"

"XIV doesn't have basic systems"

"XIV is heading in the right direction but still a long way to go"

How is that the fault of FFXI players?

[Zaireeka2025]

You could have easily made your opinion without yet again attacking the fact someone plays a specific MMORPG. Those 'FFXI players' can't have a "fear of incessant bunny hopping" if their argument is surrounding the fact they play FFXI, a game without jump.

You love playing the FFXI victim. Nobody is attacking FFXI. I used to be one. We're just stating the obvious; including Yoshi, so tell it to him while you're at it!

"Yoshida: A lot of the Japanese players of XIV that only know about that game as well as FFXI, so they’re used to having a character that can’t jump. They don’t realize that you can jump in every other MMO in the world, so they have that aversion to it.

It’s not only Japan though. If you look at our forums, there are a lot of people, even in North America, who don’t want the jumping feature." -RPGSite Interview