SE Please add jump and swiming

[Onidemon]

Onidemon, you must be my brother from another mother because you respond before I can; saying pretty much what I want to say each time. Regardless, let's not get carried away with the "FFXI-2" debate cuz its a waste of time. Stop giving Jennestia something to type at. She, and the many others against jump, just want to win this argument on any level possible. "Jump looks stupid!" What a stupid argument, and it's the only one they've really got.

There's good reasoning behind why Yoshi wanted to implement jump, and its very simple. The year is 2011 (soon to be 2012). That's it. It's the same reason why every single first-person shooter out there no longer plays like Wolfenstein 3D or Doom. It's the same reason why FFXIV has an action bar palette of skills to choose from at the bottom of the screen. Let's be real; Final Fantasy XI copied all the good mmo's of its time... namely Everquest.

What people (especially FFXI players) are forgetting is that we're dealing with Square Enix here. Not Blizzard. So if SE decides they want to add another dimension to the game like jump, then you know it will be done beautifully and with respect to the way they make games. They just added jump to FFXIII-2 and it's awesome, because SE did it. Not Blizzard. I think we all (especially FFXI conservatives) have to remember: Square Enix is making this game. Not Blizzard. If Yoshi (Producer and Director at Square Enix) wants to add jump, let him. Because I'm pretty damn sure they will all do a fine job implementing it.

As for all these "bunny rabbits" jumping around in all the other mmo's out there. Call me crazy, but why in the world does that even bother people?! You people that hate jump consider yourselves some kind of Final Fantasy elitists who think our game sets itself apart from "all those other mmo's" because we are glued to the ground like prisoners of some Gravity spell. Get over yourselves. Is seeing people jump really going to ruin the game experience for y'all? The answer is NO. It won't. You guys will still play and enjoy this game regardless and forget about this whole debate. Seeing people jump shouldn't drive ppl insane, and if it does... then y'all got problems and need to see a therapist for something so menial like a fundamental mmo mechanic. Get off your high-horses, stop setting yourselves apart from the rest of the world, and accept that MMORPG games have evolved.

Jumping. Swimming. Climbing. Flying. All these have made major impacts in the genre. If any of these are ever added to a FINAL FANTASY game, it would be awesome and welcome. Especially because SE would be doing it. Not Blizzard.

You said everything i couldn't say, great job! I really don't see how anyone could find any intelligent argument to go against what you just said.

One day someone will add yet another dimension to MMOs and that will change forever our gameplay experience, just like Jumping and flying mounts have changed the way we play. The next MMO in the Final Fantasy series will be expected to have it but some people will complain about it just because XIV didn't have or need it.

[Jennestia]

You love playing the FFXI victim. Nobody is attacking FFXI.

No one said XI is being attacked, it's the people who play FFXI being attacked. Just read this thread:

"FFXI players are why we can't have jump"

"FFXI players are holding this game back"

Even you stated at one point:

When I play games like Rift and SW:TOR (beta), I don't see all the hippity hoppity annoying characters that FFXI players see as so annoying.

So no one said the game is being attacked, it's the fact people keep continually spouting off "FFXI players this" and "FFXI players that".

[Onidemon]

this was the funniest thing i've seen all day. this post was nothing but garbage. 2012, thats it. lol what?
because SE is doing it. thats not proof, games reference other games and all i've seen in other mmos is stupid jumping.

i have herd some good ideas going out by other people who didnt waste 1/4 of a page. like having jumping be in specific areas to get over things, and having cooldowns.
you guys know our argument and we know yours, stop wasting space and time and think of solutions.

thank you to everyone who is actually trying to compromise

Zaireeka2025 see what i meant when i said i can't see how anyone could come up with an intelligent reply? IveraIvalice felt so overwhelmed by your amazing post that all he could come up with is a post that said absolutely nothing. And i quote "all i've seen is stupid jumping in other mmos" Have you even played these MMOs or you just basing your comment on youtube videos?

And you even proved everyone right that the only arguments that people have against jump is "it looks stupid". Well if i might say so myself, you make yourself look stupid with a post like that and that was a post that truly deserves being called garbage. You even gave more arguments for jumping then against it in your own post LOL.

Everything Zaireeka2025 said can be applied to any other video game genre. SF2 didn't need super moves, combos, parries etc... but now in 2011 i wouldn't expect SF4 or SF5 to not have them either just because once upon a time 15 years ago it wasn't needed.

Just like nobody would accept or buy Call of duty MW3 if it didn't have all the features that have become FPS standard today.

[Zaireeka2025]

No one said XI is being attacked, it's the people who play FFXI being attacked. Just read this thread:

"FFXI players are why we can't have jump"

"FFXI players are holding this game back"

Even you stated at one point:



So no one said the game is being attacked, it's the fact people keep continually spouting off "FFXI players this" and "FFXI players that".

Because people that don't want jump are usually those that stick by FFXI's core mechanics. It's what they fell in love with and want it to resonate. I do too, but jump isn't going to break that perpetuating feel either. If it makes you feel better, than I will stop saying FFXI players if you will stop acting the victim.

From now on: Magnet Boots vs Bunny Rabbits.

Regardless, this doesn't help the debate at all so stop trying to veer this conversation into a "FFXI players are being attacked" argument. We all love FFXI. But its you conservatives that consider yourselves too good for jump simply because "it looks stupid!" Derp.

[Jennestia]

Regardless, this doesn't help the debate at all so stop trying to veer this conversation into a "FFXI players are being attacked" argument.

How can you steer something into what it started out as? Just read this topic -- it started out by slandering FFXI players lol, you likely just chose to ignore it because you yourself also attack FFXI players.

[Zaireeka2025]

Just like nobody would accept or buy Call of duty MW3 if it didn't have all the features that have become FPS standard today.

Exactly Oni. You don't see people playing Wolfenstein 3D outside of nostalgic reasons anymore.

[IveraIvalice]

Zaireeka2025 see what i meant when i said i can't see how anyone could come up with an intelligent reply? IveraIvalice felt so overwhelmed by your amazing post that all he could come up with is a post that said absolutely nothing. And i quote "all i've seen is stupid jumping in other mmos" Have you even played these MMOs or you just basing your comment on youtube videos?

And you even proved everyone right that the only arguments that people have against jump is "it looks stupid". Well if i might say so myself, you make yourself look stupid with a post like that and that was a post that truly deserves being called garbage. You even gave more arguments for jumping then against it in your own post LOL.

Everything Zaireeka2025 said can be applied to any other video game genre. SF2 didn't need super moves, combos, parries etc... but now in 2011 i wouldn't expect SF4 or SF5 to not have them either just because once upon a time 15 years ago it wasn't needed.

Just like nobody would accept or buy Call of duty MW3 if it didn't have all the features that have become FPS standard today.

i almost didnt want to respond to this because im not here to argue with people for no reason. im here to help the creators improve the game for the player base by giving them feedback.
and because of that, im not a closed minded person who says no jump, end of story. jumping would be fine if it were compromised to meet both of our needs. thats why my post was alittle more towards "for jumping" before.

i dont get how you didnt understand that. it wasnt a long and complicated post, it was simply, since we know each others arguments now lets think of a solution. not very complicated, but i thought i would let you know, so you dont look too stupid to everyone else who understood what i was trying to say.

now then, there is nothing against anyone in here but some of the posts here are really not helping the game at all, so if zaireeka2025 came up with some good ideas earlier then thats great, but that one post didnt seem like bringing the community together again.

so if people want jump so much, i would suggest making it an action you press when your up against certain objects you can hop over. thats what i would prefer. everyone feel free to state your opinions but please stop flaming each other and try to actually benifit the game and ALL of its players as much as possible

[Zaireeka2025]

How can you steer something into what it started out as? Just read this topic -- it started out by slandering FFXI players lol, you likely just chose to ignore it because you yourself also attack FFXI players.

Look, Gravity Boots, even Yoshi supposedly attacked FFXI players in the RPGSite interview. It's just basic common knowledge that most of the people that don't want jump are those that are veterans of FFXI. You should start an activist group if you're so heated about feeling the way you do.

[Nikita]

Because people that don't want jump are usually those that stick by FFXI's core mechanics. It's what they fell in love with and want it to resonate. I do too, but jump isn't going to break that perpetuating feel either. If it makes you feel better, than I will stop saying FFXI players if you will stop acting the victim.

From now on: Magnet Boots vs Bunny Rabbits.

Regardless, this doesn't help the debate at all so stop trying to veer this conversation into a "FFXI players are being attacked" argument. We all love FFXI. But its you conservatives that consider yourselves too good for jump simply because "it looks stupid!" Derp.

Zaireeka, just drop it with Jannesta. It doesn't matter how much sense you are making with your argument. If he doesn't agree with your opinion he will find something you say and pick and pick and pick at it. At this point he is grasping at straws and is trying to make you out as victimizing a category of forum posters. He has nothing to contribute and his posts have nothing to do with the op. Its best just to ignore him at this point.

[Jennestia]

Look, Gravity Boots, even Yoshi supposedly attacked FFXI players

Not really -- There's a big difference between saying:

"FFXI players are holding this game back (I.e Zaireeka2025)"

and

"FFXI players are used to not being able to jump (i.e Yoshida.)"

One is an attack, one is an observation.

common knowledge that most of the people that don't want jump are those that are veterans of FFX

I'm a veteran of FFXI, know which other MMOs I currently play?

Eden Eternal (Guess what you can do there?)
Rift (Guess what you can do there?)
Rappelz (Guess what you can't do there?)
WoW (Guess what you can do there?)
Air Rivals
Ragnarok Online (Guess what you can't do there?)

It's those of you who attack FFXI players that feels everyone is against, especially when my specific stance is I don't see a need for it unless it serves a purpose, which at present time, it doesn't, because what you would use jump for one, XIV has no need for it at present time, i.e getting up cliff faces? They temporarily removed detection so you can scale it, keyword: Temporarily.

Battle implementation? XIV wasn't designed to have jump factored in, which mean it would have to be part of a pretty big mechanical change, which is why Yoshida himself stated it was being considered and looked into. Just programming in jump doesn't automatically give it 1001 uses -- You have to program around it -- Thus why my stance is I see it as a pointless addition currently.