SE Please add jump and swiming

[Alerith]

Honestly, would it kill for both sides to meet halfway on this?

A structured jump feature gives both sides what they want, more or less. You can't bunny hop all over the place and you can't try to get "out of bounds" but you'll still have your ability to scale/jump cliffs and fences. You walk up to a fence and you get a prompt to jump it. Tie that prompt to a key and boom, instant terrain jump. Same for cliffs. At least with a structured jump feature, animations can be adjusted for the varying sizes of the different races.

As far as swimming goes, I would actually be fairly happy if it was in FFX and had whole areas devoted to underwater segments. But not bobbing around in zones that don't actually have a use for it. A whole underwater dungeon would be cool, having to swim to it and do some "dry" areas of it.

The zones in 2.0 simply need to be designed for it, and I think it would be beneficial to both sides if it was prompt based instead of free hop.

[Jennestia]

Honestly, would it kill for both sides to meet halfway on this?

Seems it would, since people will keep attacking and blaming people who play FFXI, mostly due to their own dislike for the product (no other reason to continually attack the fact someone plays a specific MMORPG.)

[Zaireeka2025]

I'm going to repost this as a response to meeting halfway (I'm pretty sure most will agree with me on these):

My vision for jump:

~Have it so that players can jump whenever they want/need, but make it realistic and in-tune with the current high quality animation style. This means a fairly instant jump upon button activation, but ending with a nice smooth landing animation which needs to finish its cycle before being able to spam it again. This would avoid what FFXI players fear the most in terms of incessant bunny hopping.

~Have jump actually coincide with the design of 2.0 so that there could be reasons to jump (i.e. in dungeons over pitfalls that could drop us a level below). Falling from heights too high would hurt our HP (like in Zelda), but cliffsides should still have invisible walls (no need to fall off cliffs since this would only be an instant death hassle).

~If jumping was to be implemented into battles (this one's for you Jynx), they shouldn't be regular jumps but instead dodging rolls in all directions.

~If/when swimming is added, let us climb (yes, climb) up ladders/vines to high ledges and swan dive into the water. This would be awesome as an entrance to an instanced dungeon.

~Allow us to jump while on chocoback, but let us glide down to the ground with certain (black) chocobos.

[Jennestia]

I'm going to repost this as a response to meeting halfway (I'm pretty sure most will agree with me on these):

Reasonable...but wait:

This would avoid what FFXI players fear the most in terms of incessant bunny hopping.

Which goes right back to what I said:

Seems it would, since people will keep attacking and blaming people who play FFXI, mostly due to their own dislike for the product (no other reason to continually attack the fact someone plays a specific MMORPG.)

You could have easily made your opinion without yet again attacking the fact someone plays a specific MMORPG. Those 'FFXI players' can't have a "fear of incessant bunny hopping" if their argument is surrounding the fact they play FFXI, a game without jump.

[Zaireeka2025]

You could have easily made your opinion without yet again attacking the fact someone plays a specific MMORPG. Those 'FFXI players' can't have a "fear of incessant bunny hopping" if their argument is surrounding the fact they play FFXI, a game without jump.

You love playing the FFXI victim. Nobody is attacking FFXI. I used to be one. We're just stating the obvious; including Yoshi, so tell it to him while you're at it!

"Yoshida: A lot of the Japanese players of XIV that only know about that game as well as FFXI, so they’re used to having a character that can’t jump. They don’t realize that you can jump in every other MMO in the world, so they have that aversion to it.

It’s not only Japan though. If you look at our forums, there are a lot of people, even in North America, who don’t want the jumping feature." -RPGSite Interview

[Jennestia]

You love playing the FFXI victim. Nobody is attacking FFXI.

No one said XI is being attacked, it's the people who play FFXI being attacked. Just read this thread:

"FFXI players are why we can't have jump"

"FFXI players are holding this game back"

Even you stated at one point:

When I play games like Rift and SW:TOR (beta), I don't see all the hippity hoppity annoying characters that FFXI players see as so annoying.

So no one said the game is being attacked, it's the fact people keep continually spouting off "FFXI players this" and "FFXI players that".

[Zaireeka2025]

No one said XI is being attacked, it's the people who play FFXI being attacked. Just read this thread:

"FFXI players are why we can't have jump"

"FFXI players are holding this game back"

Even you stated at one point:



So no one said the game is being attacked, it's the fact people keep continually spouting off "FFXI players this" and "FFXI players that".

Because people that don't want jump are usually those that stick by FFXI's core mechanics. It's what they fell in love with and want it to resonate. I do too, but jump isn't going to break that perpetuating feel either. If it makes you feel better, than I will stop saying FFXI players if you will stop acting the victim.

From now on: Magnet Boots vs Bunny Rabbits.

Regardless, this doesn't help the debate at all so stop trying to veer this conversation into a "FFXI players are being attacked" argument. We all love FFXI. But its you conservatives that consider yourselves too good for jump simply because "it looks stupid!" Derp.

[Jennestia]

Regardless, this doesn't help the debate at all so stop trying to veer this conversation into a "FFXI players are being attacked" argument.

How can you steer something into what it started out as? Just read this topic -- it started out by slandering FFXI players lol, you likely just chose to ignore it because you yourself also attack FFXI players.

[Nikita]

Because people that don't want jump are usually those that stick by FFXI's core mechanics. It's what they fell in love with and want it to resonate. I do too, but jump isn't going to break that perpetuating feel either. If it makes you feel better, than I will stop saying FFXI players if you will stop acting the victim.

From now on: Magnet Boots vs Bunny Rabbits.

Regardless, this doesn't help the debate at all so stop trying to veer this conversation into a "FFXI players are being attacked" argument. We all love FFXI. But its you conservatives that consider yourselves too good for jump simply because "it looks stupid!" Derp.

Zaireeka, just drop it with Jannesta. It doesn't matter how much sense you are making with your argument. If he doesn't agree with your opinion he will find something you say and pick and pick and pick at it. At this point he is grasping at straws and is trying to make you out as victimizing a category of forum posters. He has nothing to contribute and his posts have nothing to do with the op. Its best just to ignore him at this point.

[ellohwell]

No one said XI is being attacked, it's the people who play FFXI being attacked. Just read this thread:

"FFXI players are why we can't have jump"

"FFXI players are holding this game back"

Even you stated at one point:

So no one said the game is being attacked, it's the fact people keep continually spouting off "FFXI players this" and "FFXI players that".

I think we both know that you have made it abundantly clear that all you want is FFXI-2. You deny it, but it's clear to anybody that has been on this forum more than five seconds. You hide behind vague statements like "oh but I never said that explicitly", and that's the problem even trying to discuss something with you; you never actually say anything explicitly. All your arguments are what you didn't say.