Healer Confessions

[Cleftobismal]

I wish our attacks scaled with mind instead of Intellegence...

Aren't we forgetting about SCH's . . . ? We can't have arcanist spells scaling off of mind unless you want to give healing potential to a smn. We'd also destroy the whole concept of the first job system. There is potential for classes like Geomancer/Elementalist to exist. (Most likely an off branch of a Conjurer) It would be too screwy for dps skills to start scaling off of mid. Hence Assize is split.

SE would have to completely change Cleric Stance and how it works while being coding friendly. Perhaps they could turn Cleric stance into a trait where the healing potency is additive with attack magic potency instead of a swap. At the same time remove the damage bonus and healing penalty. (Since the base magic attack potency of most healers is around 10% or more comparing to the healing potency)

[Rivxkobe]

I'm just starting to experiment with cleric stance with my whm at lv 54, and there is no way that I am going to CC this onto the other hlr classes, ever.

A few things:

1. You should have been experimenting/using Cleric Stance way back when you first got access to it. Not at level 54.

2. What other Cross Class skill will you take over Cleric Stance?

3. Without it you are being inefficient and not playing your job to its full potential. That's up to you, but expect some backlash.

[MPNZ]

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Hmm, do you think that split would work with Ruin? Also, I would absolutely love for PLD to be able to heal decently as a sub-healer though. Just not at the same level as a WHM that hasn't allocated any of it's points, but at least 1/2 or 3/4 of it with the percentage of bonus points in vit effecting the full effectiveness of it's defensive cooldowns hopefully to balance things. Sub-healer types would be perfect for certain scenarios if they worked right, but they're having trouble balancing ACN class because of that very dual nature.

[Cleftobismal]

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Ruin doesn't heal so no. . . . The split works literally by IF Enemy NPC. Then attack such and so with Magic attack potency. IF Friendly target, hit so and so with magic healing potency.


Also sub healing is a bit of a stretch. Most classes have a self healing ability or some sort of damage mitigation to give the healer some time to recover their hp or to lower the HPS requirement. Clemency is by no means meant to be more important than dpsing as an off tank. Hence if I screw up as a healer I would never in my mind blame a paladin for not using it to save me or someone. While it would be nice to have a competent paladin that uses Clemency and cover efficiently. It is not their primary focus. Same reasoning as why DPSING will never be more important than healing as a healer.

Lets not forget that it would be a terrible exploit for SMN's to meld MID into their equipment. While no other classes has access to such a raw boost in melding their BIS.

[MPNZ]

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Nonononono... It would be closer to how vit scales for both a tanks DPS and maximum HP, so it would increase in damage with mind at least almost just as much as it would with int. Like, 3/4, or some other percentage. But, I guess it really bugs me that cure is completely useless to me when I'm playing PLD, or when the extra skills available are almost all worthless or mostly dull and only there to add more actions into our rotations.

[Cleftobismal]

Nonononono... It would be closer to how vit scales for both a tanks DPS and maximum HP, so it would increase in damage with mind at least almost just as much as it would with int. Like, 3/4, or some other percentage. But, I guess it really bugs me that cure is completely useless to me when I'm playing PLD, or when the extra skills available are almost all worthless or mostly dull and only there to add more actions into our rotations.

Going by your logic if I'm understanding right. One of two things will happen.


MID will be the better choice to meld over SS/Crit/Determ.


Healers DPS will be so bad there is no point.


Skills itself work in conjunction with the damage/healing calculation. It is not a formula of its own, if that's what you're thinking. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean.

Assize for instance is literally working with two different formulas for two different outcomes.

The healing portion is only affected by healing potency.

The damage portion is only affected by magic attack potency.

Hence the damage is real terrible when cleric stance is not active.

[MPNZ]

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Physic and cure cannot heal through instanced mobs on their own to makeup for an actual hlr, and the cast times for PLD make it impossible to use them as a replacement for hlr, though. I'm not suggesting that they heal just as much as a hlr as curing for 172 damage is not at all something that's actually useful.

Making ruin into a skill that would scale up with either stat would be no different than what was done with tanks. And, I didn't say that it would be the same scaling for all of them.

Oh, and making it so that a summoner allocating points in int actually affecting their summons sounds like a neat idea that should basically try to hold their egi's stats hostage. And, Melding could be just limited by capping the max amount certain stats can be raised per item if they want to avoid players specing for something that their jobs were never supposed to do.

Yeah, I totally thought that it scaled on both stats.

[Seoulstar]

A few things:

1. You should have been experimenting/using Cleric Stance way back when you first got access to it. Not at level 54.

2. What other Cross Class skill will you take over Cleric Stance?

3. Without it you are being inefficient and not playing your job to its full potential. That's up to you, but expect some backlash.

Here is what I have to say
1. Better late than never
3. That is really more of a personal opinion to be honest. If some people can't handle a healer not using cleric stance, well..im unsure what to say about them.

[Mirch]

I have a confession.

I'm going to Swiftcast+Aero.

I swear.

I will.

[Rennies]

Here is what I have to say
1. Better late than never
3. That is really more of a personal opinion to be honest. If some people can't handle a healer not using cleric stance, well..im unsure what to say about them.

After all these people outlining every single reason why Cleric Stance makes a Healer more efficient, you still think it's a matter of opinion LOL