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    Sieren Windsor
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    Samurai Lv 70
    What I don't understand is why classes have to be nerfed in difficulty. If they don't think people are passing raids enough, then nerf the raids by requiring 80% of optimal performance instead of 90% or something. Don't nerf the optimal performance potential. I like being rewarded for trying hard and playing well, and if the game is dumbed down I'll probably fall asleep during dungeons. Why can't we just keep the complexity of the classes, and if skilled players want to make use of it they can, and if other players don't want to they don't have to?

    People say 2.0 rotations were fine, but if you look back now they're terrible. Level 50 syncing is so BORING now. Let's break down just how stupidly simple jobs were back then:

    - Paladin: spam the Halone combo ad infinitum
    - Bard: refresh 2 DoTs and a buff and spam Heavy Shot
    - Summoner: refresh 4 DoTs and spam Ruin
    - Black Mage: spam Fire I and the occasional Fire III proc until OOM, use Thunder attacks in Umbral Ice, go back to spamming Fire
    - Dragoon: HT + combo + Phl + combo, repeat
    - Monk: Dragon Kick + Twin Snakes + 3rd hit, Bootshine + True Strike + 3rd hit, repeat with some Touch of Death

    I can understand if the buff management part isn't fun, but if that's the case, then just remove the buff management and replace it with rotations or something with an equally high skill cap. I don't care how they do it, I just don't want the devs going into 4.0 with the mindset of making everything simpler and easier.
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    Eva Gamirdren
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    Ultros
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    Archer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantrus View Post
    People say 2.0 rotations were fine, but if you look back now they're terrible. Level 50 syncing is so BORING now. Let's break down just how stupidly simple jobs were back then:

    - Paladin: spam the Halone combo ad infinitum
    - Bard: refresh 2 DoTs and a buff and spam Heavy Shot
    - Summoner: refresh 4 DoTs and spam Ruin
    - Black Mage: spam Fire I and the occasional Fire III proc until OOM, use Thunder attacks in Umbral Ice, go back to spamming Fire
    - Dragoon: HT + combo + Phl + combo, repeat
    - Monk: Dragon Kick + Twin Snakes + 3rd hit, Bootshine + True Strike + 3rd hit, repeat with some Touch of Death
    Some people enjoy simplicity.

    I for one like both BRD and BLM at 50 more than 60. However I do like 60 SMN and PLD more than their 50 counterparts.
    Can't comment much on the melee since I play them very infrequently both now and back in ARR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moomba33 View Post
    Some people enjoy simplicity.
    Then play your classes in the way you deem simple. But don't force everyone else to play simply too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantrus View Post
    Then play your classes in the way you deem simple. But don't force everyone else to play simply too.
    Doing so would be detrimental to the other players in my group. So no, I will use class mechanics for as long as I'm playing.

    I'm just saying every class doesn't need to be complicated. Not that SE should simplify them all.
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Moomba33 View Post
    Some people enjoy simplicity.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantrus View Post
    Then play your classes in the way you deem simple. But don't force everyone else to play simply too.
    I agree with Mantrus, you're not forced to play w/ the update abilities. The level 50 rotations still exist and you can use them if you so please. That was the point of the 1st quote I linked from YoshiP. Players can play the game as they please, so if the level 50 rotation suit you better then use them, but you shouldn't expect to preform at the same level as someone fully utilizing the new abilities. This shouldn't be forced on everyone.
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