I guess it's time

[Andevom]

Yeah and you know the ironic part? People hated the fatigue system claiming it told us how long we can play and how much stuff we can do, all these lock outs remind me of the same feeling :P I don't need the game to put limits on me, I can do that myself just fine and never get bored. I've never seen a game with so many lockouts like this..in fact it seems to contradict the armory system lol.

XI had a ton of arbitrary lockouts.

Can't do Dynamis more than a couple times a week.
Can't do Assaults without ID Tags (you only get one a day and can only hold a max of five)
Can't finish certain quests until Japanese Midnight.
Can't catch more than 200 fish a day.
Can't upgrade your campaign medal for five days.
Can't do Salvage more than once a day.
Can't do Limbus more than once a day.
Can't reobtain certain key items until a certain amount of time has passed.

You get the idea.

Some of these things eventually changed, but they were still like that for a *really* long time, and changing them did nothing to revitalize the game.

[Istaru]

Yeah and you know the ironic part? People hated the fatigue system claiming it told us how long we can play and how much stuff we can do, all these lock outs remind me of the same feeling :P I don't need the game to put limits on me, I can do that myself just fine and never get bored. I've never seen a game with so many lockouts like this..in fact it seems to contradict the armory system lol.

If I remember correctly, you could switch classes and progress on another class until it refreshed. Current system locks out all jobs at the same time.

I would be happier if the lockouts were by job and not a single lockout. Not sure how they could manage it for tomestones, but could work for savage and 24 man things

[RLofOBFL]

That makes a quarter of the game population which is 200k, and not everyone comes to the forums, minority you say.

Yes but the thread refreshes with every ...refresh. I alone am 20 views at least & most of these people are the same people. I'd be surprised if even 2000 or even 1000 different people have visited this thread. I'm not arguing against change I'm just seeing the reality of it happening or this thread even being truly relevant.



Edit: by the by the 3.2 numbers were 650K

[Thayos]

Edit: by the by the 3.2 numbers were 650K

Yeah, recent estimates have actually shown a pretty strong playerbase.

This isn't the only place where I see more hardcore-style players complaining about the game being in a decline. But to see things from their perspective, they're probably confronted with the difficulty and frustration of trying to maintain raid statics in what could very well be a dwindling raiding scene.

But if that's the case, then that just shows why content like Deep Dungeons is so important for the game's longevity. Most of the game's players aren't raiders and may never do the cutting-edge raids and extreme primals. This game needs content that's more in tune with its average player.

[KitingGenbu]

by the by the 3.2 numbers were 650K

I'm sure those numbers include the JP playerbase?

[Vantol]

Edit: by the by the 3.2 numbers were 650K

May I ask where you got those numbers? They are hardly believable

[Thayos]

May I ask where you got those numbers? They are hardly believable

I don't have the link, but someone on reddit mined Lodestone using various criteria to gauge active players. It was very reasonable. And yes, pretty sure those numbers included the JP and EU playerbases. But not China.

[RLofOBFL]

I'm sure those numbers include the JP playerbase?

Yes this is the entire playerbase as of 3.2
Idr exactly but about 250K Japanese, 300K US & 100K EU

[Mimilu]

This post concerning everyone has 50k views & has been up for 3 weeks.
The thread concerning EU only has 57K views & has been up for 1 day & half the responses.

Or, you know, people are flipping out because:
A) People want the maid/butler outfits and mount the two other servers have already had access to.
B) Only people in countries that get a UK-based Gaming Magazine can get said items.
C) The items are spread out through 3-months, versus the almost-instantaneous methods the JP and NA servers had.
D) The only way to get the mount is to submit a picture of yourself with the three issues of the magazine you purchased.

Oh yeah, this forum and that forum are totally dealing with the same issue... σwσ
/sarcasm

Plus, people aren't saying they want XIV to become XI-2 (even though it kind of is, technically) or to go back to how it was during 1.x, they just want some of the depth and longevity that they felt those games had.

[RobbieH]

XI had a ton of arbitrary lockouts.

Can't do Dynamis more than a couple times a week.
Can't do Assaults without ID Tags (you only get one a day and can only hold a max of five)
Can't finish certain quests until Japanese Midnight.
Can't catch more than 200 fish a day.
Can't upgrade your campaign medal for five days.
Can't do Salvage more than once a day.
Can't do Limbus more than once a day.
Can't reobtain certain key items until a certain amount of time has passed.

You get the idea.

Some of these things eventually changed, but they were still like that for a *really* long time, and changing them did nothing to revitalize the game.

Doesn't matter if XI had lockouts, are we going for better or for worse now?

Edit: by the by the 3.2 numbers were 650K

Those were peak numbers on a Raid Patch launch, not average player base, it declined since then.

Please don't compare comeback numbers with actual numbers.