I guess it's time

[Thayos]

Regarding whether the reps are watching this thread...

At this point, this is basically the same 10 people who are just going around and around with each other.

So while I'm sure the reps are seeing this, it's highly debatable whether they should care. They probably care much more about the health of the game's active playerbase and how many people are daily players.

[Velhart]

Regarding whether the reps are watching this thread...

At this point, this is basically the same 10 people who are just going around and around with each other.

So while I'm sure the reps are seeing this, it's highly debatable whether they should care. They probably care much more about the health of the game's active playerbase and how many people are daily players.

The reps/developers see threads like this every week ever since 2.0 came out. Color me surprised if they actually respond to this thread in particular after the several hundred topics related to this have been posted and not responded to directly since the game came out.

[KitingGenbu]

The reps/developers see threads like this every week ever since 2.0 came out. Color me surprised if they actually respond to this thread in particular after the several hundred topics related to this have been posted and not responded to directly since the game came out.

Main reason I feel they dont respond is because like he said, they're getting money and that's all companies care about. You can complain all you want but if you're still giving them money, why should they care about 'potential' loss in revenue when it isn't happening yet. Again, we dont know XIV's actual numbers since they never officially came out and said how many subs they have, not to mention that we dont know how much money the cash shop is pulling in which could potentially cover for the loss. Somewhere in my comment is part of the answer as to how to change the game.

[Velhart]

Main reason I feel they dont respond is because like he said, they're getting money and that's all companies care about. You can complain all you want but if you're still giving them money, why should they care about 'potential' loss in revenue when it isn't happening yet. Again, we dont know XIV's actual numbers since they never officially came out and said how many subs they have, not to mention that we dont know how much money the cash shop is pulling in which could potentially cover for the loss. Somewhere in my comment is part of the answer as to how to change the game.

Well they are a company, so yes money is one of the deciding factors in content they make or not. They definitely listen to player feedback, they just don't listen to destructive criticism.

[KitingGenbu]

Well they are a company, so yes money is one of the deciding factors in content they make or not. They definitely listen to player feedback, they just don't listen to destructive criticism.

One could say they would get more constructive criticism if they extended their testing past their family/friends methods? Like actually having a PTS. Many of these content 'failures' could've been avoided or minimized if there was one and since you believe they listen to proper player feedback.

[RobbieH]

They probably care much more about the health of the game's active playerbase and how many people are daily players.

Which doesn't excuse the player base has been declining since 2.0

Even if the game has 500k people that's low for a big MMO.

How many accounts did SE said the game had, wasn't it 5m?

So the player base is 10% of the accounts, and we're including bots and low levels trying the game in the 500k.

Man, that's a whole lot of people paying to play a game they don't like. That's beyond me.

If you bothered to read all pages instead of picking the comments you like to reply you'd find various answers for that.

[HeavenlyArmed]

Which doesn't excuse the player base has been declining since 2.0

Even if the game has 500k people that's low for a big MMO.

How many accounts did SE said the game had, wasn't it 5m?

So the player base is 10% of the accounts, and we're including bots and low levels trying the game in the 500k.

Did you just say 500k subs is low for a big MMO? Because it's not. That's actually very healthy, and a lot of games (read: pretty much everything besides WoW) gets by on a fair bit less than that.

[KitingGenbu]

Did you just say 500k subs is low for a big MMO? Because it's not. That's actually very healthy, and a lot of games (read: pretty much everything besides WoW) gets by on a fair bit less than that.

To be fair, most games in the mmorpg market are f2p and have cash shops (this game is p2p and has a cash shop), so subs honestly arent as important as people think they are if you have others making up for the revenue in the cash shop. Given how many threads there are about wanting even more stuff in the cash shop, I'm sure XIV isn't hurting in terms of money.

[RobbieH]

Did you just say 500k subs is low for a big MMO? Because it's not. That's actually very healthy, and a lot of games (read: pretty much everything besides WoW) gets by on a fair bit less than that.

Blizzard used to report player base until it got to 2m since they considered it low so they've stopped giving stats since then, if 2m is low i wonder what 500k is.

500k is low when the servers are filled with sprouts that don't even reach max level, people trying the game and bots.

I said 500k but we don't know the numbers, t this point it's probably more like 250k lol.

Anyway for a game with 5m accounts 500k is very low.

[HeavenlyArmed]

Blizzard used to report player base until it got to 2m since they considered it low so they've stopped giving stats since then, if 2m is low i wonder what 500k is.

500k is low when the servers are filled with sprouts that don't even reach max level, people trying the game and bots.

I said 500k but we don't know the numbers, t this point it's probably more like 250k lol.

Anyway for a game with 5m accounts 500k is very low.

You're an idiot if you think it's appropriate to treat WoW as anything but an exception to the norm. No other MMO is even remotely close to its playerbase, and I even somewhat pointed that out to you in the post you quoted. And 10% of accounts as a sub base is low? Your beloved Blizzard has over 100m registered accounts. So if they hit 2m like you said, and 10% retention for subs is bad, then that must say really bad things about WoW's status, right? Or you could accept that none of us here know enough on the subject to make these claims and stop acting like any of your arguments on this front actually hold up.