Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[Brian_]

There's the thing; if people don't care for things like achievements, glamour then they should not be placing themselves in that content, espesically if said content is party-play. However despite being a sandbox-design, the gme is still fairly lineiar to how you get to that point in the first place, all of which still requires some form of party play and interaction (which honestly is a given in any mmo). If you wanted to make some sort of progression toward anything (whether it be glamour a clear), you have to be able to make that approach to it, even for something like glamour or minion drops in regards to a dungeon.

So what? We just kick out all the people who are just there to experience the dungeon or progress their MSQ? Sohr Khai is part of the MSQ. A person could easily be doing it and not really be that interested in the glamour or the orchestrion roll.

What I've said time and time again is that people will have their different motivations. The real problem is not the variance in player skill within the content, it's that the system puts people with different motivations into the same content. That's where this conflict comes from. That's why we have this proposal to separate players into tiers.

Someone else said in response to my business analogy that at the end of the day, you can get them on the same page by paying them but this game has no such universally relevant currency. It has nothing that everyone will care about and aim for regardless of if they're a casual or hard-core player. Some players just don't care about gil, tomestones, gear, etc.

So, look at the JP servers. They actually do have that universally relevant "currency." For them, it's the aspect of community that serves as the universal motivator. Nobody wants to be a burden on their group. Everyone wants to do their part. People have pride and a mutual respect. That's enough to push them to research the content, their job and perform at a decent standard.

[BloodPact]

My guess is he is using a parser or is making it up to add fictional weight to his argument for his threads topic, the latter of the two wouldn't surprise me.

No need to reach such wild assumptions. Perhaps he's just psychic.

[Tolmos]

So what? We just kick out all the people who are just there to experience the dungeon or progress their MSQ? Sohr Khai is part of the MSQ. A person could easily be doing it and not really be that interested in the glamour or the orchestrion roll.

I'm not sure what it's like now, but during most of 2.0 I had always wished that MSQ players who were doing the dungeons the first time were always grouped together without anyone else in the dungeon. It used to be TERRIBLE back then for those poor players, with people in the groups being absolute POSs about cutscenes. "Watch them in your inn room later!". Their entitlement was astounding. It got to the point that if a group had a new player, votes to kick would start happening and the poor person running it for the first time would get the boot.

[Watachy]

I can't play soccer very good, but still I want to take part in every match available.
But I don't want to train, nor do I want any advice or any strategic/tactic jabbering.
I don't even want to know which position i should play... If I want to go keeper, I just do it and if I decide to do that with my hands tied behind my back you should better live with it.
Everyone who tells me how I should hit the ball to make him go where I want or whoever tells me in what direction I have to play is an elitist!


People in this thread.

To the top my friend, you said EVERYTHING.

[elemental10]

I think it's a good system.

I myself have had cases where i give out advices and is immediately called out for being an elitist... even though I clearly am a mentor at the time with a huge crown icon beside my name.

Anyways, at least with this system I would know how well I perform, if not anything else.

[Kallera]

I think it's a good system.

I myself have had cases where i give out advices and is immediately called out for being an elitist... even though I clearly am a mentor at the time with a huge crown icon beside my name.

Anyways, at least with this system I would know how well I perform, if not anything else.

The system is rigged against a learning player and would cause new high lvl entries in pf to be avoided like the plague. it also puts more of a stink on having patience for the new player. Now they are the one to screw up not just this run, but your other runs after this one.

[Eldevern]

The point about advice it is not all people are agree and ready to listen advice from people they don't know. It can sounds like despising especially since there are players who suffer of a little lack of diplomacy when they give advices.

The matter is the game is not designed to fill any kind of ego or individual competition, but, for SE, to make money. And I really doubt they create a grading system. Why? First it is not FF concept and they will never create a system that could show that players are not as good as they sometimes imagine and, upset will leave the game. Remember : money matters.

Little edit :
PVP is made for competition, Player vs Player, Team vs Team.
PVE is not, PVE is Team vs Environment or Player vs Environment, environment that is not designed to lead to any kind of comparision between players or team, then to imagine anything that could lead to compare players of the same team...

[dekal]

..The matter is the game is not designed to fill any kind of ego or individual competition, but, for SE, to make money... Remember : money matters.

I completely agree with this. SE is a company and what really matter is money. At least over 51% of the player database actually speak up and demand to make changes, they won't make any. Plus we have so many different types of players that making this game a some type of school would be bad for a corporation that just want money from different type of people.

[Critical-Limit]

How is it more toxic? If these "elitist" you find toxic can no longer play with you or bug you. They'll be shuffled into their own group. How does that make it toxic just curious.

Honest question.

[Kallera]

How is it more toxic? If these "elitist" you find toxic can no longer play with you or bug you. They'll be shuffled into their own group. How does that make it toxic just curious.

Honest question.

Maintaining standing would become more important than niceities or sticking with a player. Ever see how sometimes in a 24 man, people start accusing others of intentionally wiping the alliance? Apply that suspicion to all lvl 60 content, and you have this system at work. Unlike the 24 man complaints however, there is a real consequence of having that player stay and make the party look bad to the game. (That White Mage that keeps stacking on me during cleaves when i need heals, is not only ruining my mhach run, but the roulettes I'm going to do later, if i get ranked down.) This does not facilitate learning, this facilitates kicks and removal.