Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[RiceisNice]

Well like I said earlier, this specific type of policing is counter productive. You don't improve a bad player by burying them in a ditch with all the other bad players. You don't grow the skill level of your player-base by putting a bunch of speed bumps and road blocks on their path of progression.

The primary issue is you need to get people to care. And, this topic does not address that fundamental issue. Bad players who are content with being bad won't care to become better in this system. Good players won't care to extend themselves beyond themselves.

I've already said that I'm not advocating on something like this; pushing away the problem won't solve it. However, the design of the content essentially allows for it, combine that with apathetic people who don't care or even encourage it (indirectly or not, such as telling people to stop giving advice or having expectations in DF). If you've kept up with my posts, as well as the quote I was replying to, it's astonishing to see how people are disagreeing with the very idea of wanting people to understand the basics of the game (that, or they lump it in the same category of having high expectations, or any at all).

>A performs poorly
>B gives A suggestions
>A Wants to play how he wants to play
>C Doesn't want A to be a burden on the party intentionally
>D Feels that no one should be held accountable for their performance
>Z Jumps in and says that people shouldn't expect people to be playing at top tier in a DF run
>1 wants people like A to at the very least put in basic understanding
>Z sees 1's request as the aforementioned top tier playing expectation

This is more or less what I keep seeing in these sort of discussions; So much of the argument comes from both sides taking their/the opposite perspective to the extreme and missing the context entirely. What was previously an exception in my typical DF run is starting to become more and more frequent.