I guess it's time

[Iromi]

I find it comical that many people who are commenting on the simplicity of content or jobs don't actually do the content in this game or play at a level where it's demanded that you understand the complexity of content or jobs.

Oh..I can assure you I have done the hard stuff. And yes, it is simple. FCOB was different, it was fun..engaging, nice. While I feel the battle system could use some work, at least the reward (story and the armor) from fcob made it a bit more worthwhile to me.

Alexander is zzz...sorry, just the way I feel! The game has no depth...

Anyway how do you know how many characters these people have and what they have done?

[Brian_]

Oh..I can assure you I have done the hard stuff. And yes, it is simple. FCOB was different, it was fun..engaging, nice. While I feel the battle system could use some work, at least the reward (story and the armor) from fcob made it a bit more worthwhile to me.

Alexander is zzz...sorry, just the way I feel! The game has no depth...

Anyway how do you know how many characters these people have and what they have done?

And I don't believe you.

The dead give away is that you actually think FCoB is the "hard stuff" when anyone who actually does the hard content knows that FCoB was a casual stroll down the beach compared to the static destroying marathon that is Alexander Savage.

But if you want to prove me wrong, go ahead. Prove you're a top percentile player with experience in the hardest content. Until then I'm going to take anything you say about job or content complexity in FFXIV with a boulder-sized grain of salt.

[Iromi]

And I don't believe you.

The dead give away is that you actually think FCoB is the "hard stuff" when anyone who actually does the hard content knows that FCoB was a casual stroll down the beach compared to the static destroying marathon that is Alexander Savage.

But if you want to prove me wrong, go ahead. Prove you're a top percentile player with experience in the hardest content. Until then I'm going to take anything you say about job or content complexity in FFXIV with a boulder-sized grain of salt.

That's fine You don't have to believe me...after all, you know nothing about me so yes I could be talking outta my bum lol. Also wait..where did I say it was "hardstuff"? Are you straw manning me? I said FCOB was different, fun engaging, nice. Where did I once say it is hard? When I said I have done "hard stuff" I am referring to every raid since 1.0 launched.

What is up with people assuming, accusing and being so strange...oh wait..*looks around* I forgot where I was x.x

Even if I showed you a link to my so called "character" it could be someone elses, even if I show you my videos from my streams on my YT account, you could easily say I am lying. Someone did that to me last week on my tumblr/fb..so I wrote on my hand the date, time, etc and name..lol still got called a liar. Can't win for losing on here so...

[Brian_]

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When you make statements like "I have done the hard stuff. And yes, it is simple" or that "the game has no depth," you might want to back it up with something other than "lol you don't know me." Especially when the statements are so obviously wrong.

Compared to any other MMO on the market, how exactly is Alexander Savage simple or lacking in design depth? Fights like A3S and A8S are some of the most well designed and complex fights in the genre. Calling A8S simple is laughable. What qualifies as complex, then?

[Iromi]

When you make statements like "I have done the hard stuff. And yes, it is simple" or that "the game has no depth," you might want to back it up with something other than "lol you don't know me." Especially when the statements are so obviously wrong.

Compared to any other MMO on the market, how exactly is Alexander Savage simple or lacking in design depth? Fights like A3S and A8S are some of the most well designed and complex fights in the genre. Calling A8S simple is laughable. What qualifies as complex, then?

Why? My posts are meant for the developers, as they are the ones who make the changes. I have to prove to them I am who I say I am? Do you think they really have time to and hunt and check everyone's achievements and what they have done before considering what they say? Look, really I am not trying to be mean but I really do not care if people on here want me to prove to them random stuff..it is a waste of time. You either believe..or you don't. You don't and that is more then fine. You are not Yoshida..I do not need your approval or support.

What qualifies as complex? Go reread all my posts I already made..lol I seriously can't keep typing the SAME THING over and over and over! Again, the issue is not only the game feeling shallow in aspects..its that it has no longevity. Please do not troll or move this off topic.

[CookieMonsta]

Why? My posts are meant for the developers, as they are the ones who make the changes.

A misinformed or uninformed opinion is one of the most dangerous things e.g. Donald Trump.
Alex Savage came about this way because a whole bunch of misinformed/uninformed people gave their opinions to Yoshida while the informed stayed silent.
This is what Graylle was talking about.

[Iromi]

A misinformed or uninformed opinion is one of the most dangerous things e.g. Donald Trump.
Alex Savage came about this way because a whole bunch of misinformed/uninformed people gave their opinions to Yoshida while the informed stayed silent.
This is what Graylle was talking about.

Oh yes I do agree, but again...do you guys really think these community rep guys take the time to not only read EVERY post..but then check in depth the character and see what they did and their past in FFXIV?

And I remember that (about the alex savage)...well, that is why I think to fix that they should send player polls to our emails like they did in 1.x days, then they can know who they are sending it to, etc...and everyone gets a chance to have their voice heard instead of a small handful of the player base at these fan festival things. -_-

I think we're all in agreement that the game is lacking longevity, but it's not for the reasons that raids are overly simple. The problem that we're coming around is that people are talking down about content that they haven't touch, and ultimately it really doesn't make sense and has no water to back up behind it. You also have a habit of posting things without context or reasoning, which is what I assume the discussion (or lack of) is going on about.

Well, I tried posting LOOOONG posts in 2.x, and so forth..(on my real account lol) and broke it down, explained everything, yadda yadda...got tons of likes, support, love, 0 recognition from the devs. I am not going to go all out and post like I once did..I just say what I dislike, offer a quick suggestion...and so forth. I don't really think it makes much difference..but at least at the end of the day I can say I tired..before I unsub and disappear ._.

[Brian_]

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If a forum poster finds your posts lacking any real substance what exactly do you expect devs will take away from it?

"Oh, this person says our content is simple and lacks depth. Hm, okay... wait, they never explained why?"

I've read this topic. All you've talked about is content longevity, rewards, and horizontal progression. That is not some detailed commentary on the complexity or depth of their content design. If your intent is to give the devs feedback, you might want to explain why you believe the content is simple and lacking in depth.

As RiceisNice has said, their raids are clearly not overly simple by any industry standard. They might lack longevity, but that's not for a lack of complexity or depth. It would make more sense to argue the opposite -- that the content lacks longevity because it's too complex and burns people out.