Would you like an in-game parser?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Currently there's a total of about a dozen pro parser players that I've seen, at least on this thread, that claim what you claim. Unless you want to claim to speak for the vast majority, there's no evidence that's been put forth here that the majority of the pro parser population wouldn't harass and boot others for being a mere 100 DPS short of their exaggerated demands. On the other hand, there's a fair amount of evidence scattered all over the forums that parser data could, and is, abused, on a daily basis. While it's nice to be optimistic and hope that this data would only be used to help, it's much more logical to presume and predict what the worst case scenario would be.

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

Currently there's a total of about a dozen pro parser players that I've seen, at least on this thread, that claim what you claim. Unless you want to claim to speak for the vast majority, there's no evidence that's been put forth here that the majority of the pro parser population wouldn't harass and boot others for being a mere 100 DPS short of their exaggerated demands. On the other hand, there's a fair amount of evidence scattered all over the forums that parser data could, and is, abused, on a daily basis. While it's nice to be optimistic and hope that this data would only be used to help, it's much more logical to presume and predict what the worst case scenario would be.

There's actually been quite a bit of evidence showing there won't be harassment from instituting an official parser, or at least no noticeable increase in the long run. Yes, there are people who will use it and have used it for abuse, but there's nothing showing that they wouldn't do the same abuse if there was no parser at all. People who belittle people with a parser will belittle you even without one. They'll find a reason to do it. But regardless, reporting is still 100% viable and something that would remain viable were a parser implemented. I'm completely against harassment, but the worst case scenario that's been put forth is mostly unfounded fears, or at least a misunderstanding of the root of harassment.

[Seraphix2407]

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I've been helping over 30 groups, I can even prove it to you, past few days this week. Seph extremes for example. Want to know average DPS with 225+ Ilvl and 230 weapon? 1.1k. How many people were called out in those group? None. This is not towards you, but many anti parsers in here make it sound like every duty you enter, hell even going to the bathroom in real life, there is a guy shouting at you doing bad dps. I'm not kidding it sounds like that. Because the biggest argument most of the anti parser crowd has is harrasements.

Want to know what I really dislike? Few people on this thread or forum judge me for using a parser? And am I seriously going to take them serious? Nah. I know I have bunch of friends who raids and doesn't raid using parsers and NO one ever gets shouted at for being low dps, if the dps is too low and we can't beat because of it, we find out some solution to it. I know it's not optimized to put 3 amazing dps with 1 that's far from being decent in a clear group. Clearing it and doing mechanics doesn't mean you did a amazing job, you still have to do your portion of dps. My friend struggled as healer to get a clear with random groups and his BRD friend. I out dpsed his brd as war. But did I call him trash? No, I said his dps should been higher and all he said was; Yeah I think I was low, according to parser that someone was copy pasting into the group. And you know, he actually has taken it as a hint that he needs to improve and he already has.

Why can't people be simply and take some advice or hints they need to improve rather than ignore it and call people assholes? I'm saying it again once more before people gonna use it as arguement card:
I'M FULLY AWARE!! PEOPLE CAN BE ASSHOLES ABOUT IT! Now, what I dont get is why does people think in every corner a pro parser is gonna be an asshole to you because 1 was it ages ago? I might as well quit helping people because majority can't do rotations well enough to clear content or simply do mechanics while handling decent dps or worse; ignoring trying to get better. Is that the way it should be? Hell no. So please, for the love of god, stop argue againt's us with the harrasment card, we agree with you guys on that side, what we don't agree, well certainly me, is you guys say a big majority does harras and it will be the dooms day of the game if an official one ever happens.

Before people gonna judge me again, please provide that you are ANY BETTER than most of us. I'm so damn sure, without knowing and being on people server on this thread there are bunch of great guys helping people out, THAT ARE ALSO USING A PARSER. Holy shit?! Is it true? A guy using a parser without being an asshole? Might as well believe in santa right? I'm all serious now, the harrasment card of 99% of people being pro parsers are assholes. Yawn. There is ONE guy in this thread(I wont call out name), that has one of the most toxic post ever created on this forum. Not only saying a big % of parser pro people are assholes, but acting like a white knight at the same proccess? Really?

Allow me to show you and everyone else what I've done recently:


5!!!!5 freaking people needed clear. Guess what, 2 out 8 people had parsers on. Did me or the other guy call out their dps being low? Nope, we wiped for a long time then we killed it.

Another example and please read the bottom chat before people gonna yawn me with their harrasment cards:


HOLY!?!?!? There are 2 people with 210 weapons in seph extreme? Wooooooow, and guess what. 4 of us was parsing. Still cleared it and we helped them farm weapons, even the fact majority of us never needed anything from that fight anymore. So please, for those who judge me or others in here. Just stop, please stop.

Keep in mind harrasment will always been a problem in the game, having a parser doesn't mean it's green light to harras people for doing less or whatever. If people harras you, you blacklist them and report, simple. So many anti parsers in here either argue with themselves or simply put words in our mouths so they can have soemthing to argur with.

/Rant off.

Edit:

. A parser would just as easily defend the player.

Excactly. If a guy was doing 100 dps less, it still would been fine. Top notch dps? Nope but it's still above an average player, so I'm pretty sure people would defend the guy and then again, this rarely happens and you and I both know it very well! What parser could also do is, there are people who actuall think they are godsent in a group but actually the worse one in group, that one happens actually a lot lol XD. ''Get gud guys'' > Ow his dps is 700 less than it should be and he harras people for no reason lol. If he had a parser, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't said shit about it haha!

[Reynhart]

I've been helping over 30 groups, I can even prove it to you, past few days this week.

Yeah, I know how you deal with it, don't worry. But, saddly, none of us know enough people to foresee what the majority will do, especially in a situation that is not happening. Because yeah, parser being unofficial for now is a different situation. For each nice guy you can show, I'm pretty sure someone can show a corresponding bully. All pro-parsers aren't, but you can't there isn't any.

As for me, as I said before, I have my DPS-obsessed-bully, even though he is a nice guy apart from that, my static leader. A guy that asked us several times to wipe in Thordan's Reign phase 1 because we didn't bring the boss down below 65% before phasing. Or the one who asked us to wipe on Seph EX as soon as any DPS dies in the first phase...After several months of leading my own static through Coil, this new mentality pushed me away from raiding altogether.

So, yeah, I'd probably have no issue showing numbers in a party lead by you, but with a more fishy leader, I'd rather hide it to gauge how he deals with issues first. That's the beauty of having an on/off option. To act nice with nice people and to protect us from jerks.

[Ryel]

Currently there's a total of about a dozen pro parser players that I've seen, at least on this thread, that claim what you claim. Unless you want to claim to speak for the vast majority, there's no evidence that's been put forth here that the majority of the pro parser population wouldn't harass and boot others for being a mere 100 DPS short of their exaggerated demands. On the other hand, there's a fair amount of evidence scattered all over the forums that parser data could, and is, abused, on a daily basis. While it's nice to be optimistic and hope that this data would only be used to help, it's much more logical to presume and predict what the worst case scenario would be.

I've kept a distance from this thread for a while considering I already have a long history of posts in other threads like this one each time they come up. However I'd like to counter the point you've provided real quick as it seems to always come up in these threads.

I implore you to watch this video: WoW: Accessibility and Apathy

Like really, really watch it it's been posted in nearly every one of these threads by multiple posters, multiple times.

While it isn't primarily about the use of a parser it does touch on the issue quite well and shows what the likely scenario would be which is overall apathy from the general playerbase, granted this was done in World of Warcraft which allows the use of add-ons and by extension parsing programs. The results however are not to be ignored as WoW also boasts the largest sample size of players and experiences one could ever hope for on any subject concerning MMO players as it is still the most subscribed MMO in the history of the genre.

Yes there will be cases of harassment occasionally (something that happens already regardless of parser usage), however over the greater size of the player-base it isn't likely to be an issue and even in the cases that it does happen GM support is there for exactly this reason, to resolve of issues of player harassment as they do currently.

[WeekendSoja]

Man, that video is the truth for all MMO's in this current decade, and probably for the rest of the genre's lifespan.

People are literally encouraged to perform within mediocrity or below because things are made to facilitate that mindset. Tokens for gear, no competition for rare pieces of armor (or rare pieces of armor in general, nothing really jumps out at you anymore, it's crafted, tomes, or endgame gear). For majority of the 60 content it only requires ilvl equivalent gear and the ability to push three buttons to finish the dungeon. That's all the 99% needs...and in the hopes of making money, SE would rather bank on the mediocrity of the 99% than the dedication of the 1%

[Hayward]

Man, that video is the truth for all MMO's in this current decade, and probably for the rest of the genre's lifespan.

People are literally encouraged to perform within mediocrity or below because things are made to facilitate that mindset. Tokens for gear, no competition for rare pieces of armor (or rare pieces of armor in general, nothing really jumps out at you anymore, it's crafted, tomes, or endgame gear). For majority of the 60 content it only requires ilvl equivalent gear and the ability to push three buttons to finish the dungeon. That's all the 99% needs...and in the hopes of making money, SE would rather bank on the mediocrity of the 99% than the dedication of the 1%

I was going to stay out of this thread as my position is known and I've said all I have to say on the matter, but this comment cannot be allowed to go unanswered.

People who have their heads all gassed up and think like this need to know one thing: You are not the Special Snowflakes you fancy yourselves to be. You've worked your way through Savage content and can farm Sephirot EX in your sleep? Good for you, but don't even think you're above everyone else just because you're one of the few who are doing this content regularly. Being part of an endgame static group does not give you license to trash people who get their gear through means other than raiding.

[Seraphix2407]

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But where does people say (pro parsers) say it's fine to trash people who doesn't do seph extreme or savage? Mostlikely those who doesn't can't do it or simply doesn't want to. No one mention those at all, so I don't really see where you going with your comment. I don't really care how much dps they do in dungeons as long they are putting enough effort atleast, rather than half ass it and expect people to do the whole job for lazy one.
I have to say it again:
No one gives a damn about those who focus on roulettes or normal mode alex only. No one cares about those peoples dps in dungeons as long they are doing a decent amount of effort.
No one gives a damn ass abou those who doesn't raid or even want to do extreme primals. What we do care about are people who do savage or primals and they need to pull effort into it. We aren't saying you need to be top elite player to do it as long you put your weight on it which is about 80-85% of your own effort.

Even if you don't raid or don't do extreme primals, doesn't give you the right to just AFK or click 1-2 buttons through out the dungeon.

[Moomba33]

For me not wanting a public parser isn't about being lazy. I do try in dungeons. I just don't really want to play XIV with the constant feeling that I'm being evaluated.

I think a personal parser with an option for pre-made groups to opt in to a public parser would solve most issues. Or just make the public parser standard for Extremes/Raids/high end content where DPS checks are an issue.