Would you like an in-game parser?

[Ryel]

Currently there's a total of about a dozen pro parser players that I've seen, at least on this thread, that claim what you claim. Unless you want to claim to speak for the vast majority, there's no evidence that's been put forth here that the majority of the pro parser population wouldn't harass and boot others for being a mere 100 DPS short of their exaggerated demands. On the other hand, there's a fair amount of evidence scattered all over the forums that parser data could, and is, abused, on a daily basis. While it's nice to be optimistic and hope that this data would only be used to help, it's much more logical to presume and predict what the worst case scenario would be.

I've kept a distance from this thread for a while considering I already have a long history of posts in other threads like this one each time they come up. However I'd like to counter the point you've provided real quick as it seems to always come up in these threads.

I implore you to watch this video: WoW: Accessibility and Apathy

Like really, really watch it it's been posted in nearly every one of these threads by multiple posters, multiple times.

While it isn't primarily about the use of a parser it does touch on the issue quite well and shows what the likely scenario would be which is overall apathy from the general playerbase, granted this was done in World of Warcraft which allows the use of add-ons and by extension parsing programs. The results however are not to be ignored as WoW also boasts the largest sample size of players and experiences one could ever hope for on any subject concerning MMO players as it is still the most subscribed MMO in the history of the genre.

Yes there will be cases of harassment occasionally (something that happens already regardless of parser usage), however over the greater size of the player-base it isn't likely to be an issue and even in the cases that it does happen GM support is there for exactly this reason, to resolve of issues of player harassment as they do currently.

[Seraphix2407]

guy that asked us several times to wipe in Thordan's Reign phase 1 because we didn't bring the boss down below 65% before phasing. .

Dont think thats even possible. Ive seen bullies. Just not in a large scale as people claim. Before I knew I was doing decent enough I ofte got called out on my DRG or Mnk. Now that im Just fine, even if im not the best.

[Reynhart]

Dont think thats even possible.

Don't remember the exact numbers. It just pissed me off because we were still learning the fight...

Just not in a large scale as people claim.

And we don't need to do this "parser or not parser" in a large scale either.

[Seraphix2407]

Don't remember the exact numbers..

Pushing 70% was optimal. Leaving less dps and few mistakes in last phase being high DPS check and you had alot of movent. But if it was for kill I would understand. But training not really. If you were training for next phase its good to start early pushing the dps imo. Getting used to it I mean. Things is there wont be higher % of harrasment even with parser being official. If there was a large scale of harrasment because of parser it would already happen, but its not. Harrasment is harrasment, simple.

Also thordan was a hard primal for a big part of the community, they even mentioned they won't make primals like that ever again. I hope that tells you something.

[WeekendSoja]

Man, that video is the truth for all MMO's in this current decade, and probably for the rest of the genre's lifespan.

People are literally encouraged to perform within mediocrity or below because things are made to facilitate that mindset. Tokens for gear, no competition for rare pieces of armor (or rare pieces of armor in general, nothing really jumps out at you anymore, it's crafted, tomes, or endgame gear). For majority of the 60 content it only requires ilvl equivalent gear and the ability to push three buttons to finish the dungeon. That's all the 99% needs...and in the hopes of making money, SE would rather bank on the mediocrity of the 99% than the dedication of the 1%

[Hayward]

Man, that video is the truth for all MMO's in this current decade, and probably for the rest of the genre's lifespan.

People are literally encouraged to perform within mediocrity or below because things are made to facilitate that mindset. Tokens for gear, no competition for rare pieces of armor (or rare pieces of armor in general, nothing really jumps out at you anymore, it's crafted, tomes, or endgame gear). For majority of the 60 content it only requires ilvl equivalent gear and the ability to push three buttons to finish the dungeon. That's all the 99% needs...and in the hopes of making money, SE would rather bank on the mediocrity of the 99% than the dedication of the 1%

I was going to stay out of this thread as my position is known and I've said all I have to say on the matter, but this comment cannot be allowed to go unanswered.

People who have their heads all gassed up and think like this need to know one thing: You are not the Special Snowflakes you fancy yourselves to be. You've worked your way through Savage content and can farm Sephirot EX in your sleep? Good for you, but don't even think you're above everyone else just because you're one of the few who are doing this content regularly. Being part of an endgame static group does not give you license to trash people who get their gear through means other than raiding.

[Seraphix2407]

I.

But where does people say (pro parsers) say it's fine to trash people who doesn't do seph extreme or savage? Mostlikely those who doesn't can't do it or simply doesn't want to. No one mention those at all, so I don't really see where you going with your comment. I don't really care how much dps they do in dungeons as long they are putting enough effort atleast, rather than half ass it and expect people to do the whole job for lazy one.
I have to say it again:
No one gives a damn about those who focus on roulettes or normal mode alex only. No one cares about those peoples dps in dungeons as long they are doing a decent amount of effort.
No one gives a damn ass abou those who doesn't raid or even want to do extreme primals. What we do care about are people who do savage or primals and they need to pull effort into it. We aren't saying you need to be top elite player to do it as long you put your weight on it which is about 80-85% of your own effort.

Even if you don't raid or don't do extreme primals, doesn't give you the right to just AFK or click 1-2 buttons through out the dungeon.

[Moomba33]

For me not wanting a public parser isn't about being lazy. I do try in dungeons. I just don't really want to play XIV with the constant feeling that I'm being evaluated.

I think a personal parser with an option for pre-made groups to opt in to a public parser would solve most issues. Or just make the public parser standard for Extremes/Raids/high end content where DPS checks are an issue.

[Seraphix2407]

For me not wanting a public parser isn't about being lazy. I do try in dungeons. I just don't really want to play XIV with the constant feeling that I'm being evaluated.

I think a personal parser with an option for pre-made groups to opt in to a public parser would solve most issues. Or just make the public parser standard for Extremes/Raids/high end content where DPS checks are an issue.

I agree with that. Because we all know that most pro parsers talk about high end content, so I don't really know why people mention dungeons. However, it is sad when people let people stay lazy in dungeons and just accept it. No, just no.

[KarstenS]

but don't even think you're above everyone else just because you're one of the few who are doing this content regularly.

When you just want entertainment without effort, you watch a quiz show in TV.

When you want a challange, you participate in the quiz show.

Same here.

When you just want entertainment without eny effort, playing a game is not the right thing for you. You should sit back and watch only, like in the quiz show example above.

Playing games is for people, that are sick of just consuming without anything to do. Playing games is for people that want the challenge and not just watch it.