SAMURAI SHOWDOWN

[DWolfwood]

What do you mean? This whole topic is all of us discussing what Samurai could be. You made it with that intention, so that's what I'm getting at.

All you said was:

Edit: Also, everyone seems to conveniently forget the series has already had a clothed Samurai without armor. Auron.

So, I just don't really know what you're getting at here. Are you saying that because Auron, a character that is an homage to Ronin, wears light armor, that we should get a light-armored Samurai? Like I said, no one has forgotten any of this. One could say that you've forgotten that he's not specifically a Samurai, but an homage, whereas Cyan is quite literally a samurai in FF6, but it just so happens that in that universe, he wears knight armor. Auron was a warrior monk if you really wanna get into it.

Samurai have inspired many ideas for FF over the years, and there's a big variation between the Ronin types and the armor-clad types. None of it is any reason why it shouldn't be DPS or Tank. Everyone is too caught up in the little things instead of just looking at whether this game can handle 2 Samurai. Are there any DPS who after getting a Ronin job, would be pissed if they announced a Shogun tank? "Why?" is my question.

Dark Knight and Dragoon don't even exist, so there's no reason Samurai in a fantasy MMO have to be anything. They could be as unrealistic as his team wants it to be. It's fun to discuss either way.

Just for the record, Dark Knights and Dragoons are fantasy interpretations of real life things. I'm not saying things have to be historically accurate, and I've never said that because that would be boring. What I've done is bring in factual evidence when people make false, outrageous claims about "real life."

All that said there is no, real, true "Samurai" nor is there a real, true, "Knight" as many-a-video and paper have explained.

Samurai and Knights were a definable thing. Yes, they all had armor. The thing is, they didn't wear this armor all the time. It was almost exclusively reserved for the battlefield in the case of samurai. Things do get more complicated when you realize that the samurai were real people and could fall on hard times if they or their lord lost a battle, and they could thus be forced to sell their armor sometimes to make ends meet if they were no longer formally a samurai. In samurai culture, the "soul" of the samurai was his sword and many would rather die than sell it, some however would rather live than keep it. Samurai and Knights who no longer served a lord would lose their status, but like we say in the US about Marines as an example, "once a marine, always a marine," one could argue that they were still Samurai and Knights in all but title.

As for correct representations, yes there are tons of ways to portray them. My question is, do you think that if we got a Shogun tank, would a Ronin DPS be too much, considering we'd have a Samurai tank and two eastern DPS already?