SAMURAI SHOWDOWN

[DWolfwood]

It's the Tank supporters vs. the DPS supporters. Clearly there's more DPS players, but eliminating the Tank population's desires only serves to hurt everyone.

I myself am not invested anymore now that my dream was realized with DRK being announced as a Tank, though I did want SAM to be a tank, in similar fashion to Log Horizon. I personally think there's loads of potential here. An ultimate tank move could be centered around not taking damage like PLD's, and instead, countering every attack for example. Also, DRK is a magic, greatsword tank, so the two do not overlap in all honesty considering that NIN wields Katanas, which are more similar to Great Katanas than Greatswords.

Of course it could be a DPS, especially if they go in the style of a Ronin... So that said, I think they should make two jobs. A Tank, and a DPS. This should please everyone. Shogun and Ronin, GO!

[Xlantaa]

If SAM is tank, we will be more balance on DF. If it is DPS, DPS will have problems again. There are too much DPS and too few tanks.

But, what I think is the 4.0 will put 1 tank, 1 DPS and 1 healer probably. So, will be very balanced here.

Sincerely, I think people who wants Samurai DPS, is people who paly as DPS or like more the DPS, and people who wants Samurai as tank, are people who like tanking and want keep being tanks. I think this is the maximun here. I include myself here. Major reason I want Samurai tank it is because I'm a tank.

I will add also, I think more suits tank than DPS. Two handed katana tank. Also, people say that they want a sword wielding DPS and the Samurai could be the best choice. Well. I think Red Mage is the perfect for that. Red Mages uses one hand swords. But I won't lie. I want Samurai tank not only because I think it suits more, but also, because I am Tank, and that's the class I was wanting since 2.0. Sincerely, I cannot imagine a Samurai as DPS.

On the other hand. During the development of Heavensward, Samurai was created alongside with Dark Knigh to be a tank. They finally choose Dark Knight to be the tank in 3.0.That's some kidn of hint about the Samurai role on the next expasion. Just a theory, of course.

Put two classes I think is... excesive. Well, It would be not the first, we have the arcanist in similar way (DPS or Healer). But still, I think this a bit... overcharge. If will be a Samurai class, wil lbe only one. Which will win, if DPS or tank... we will see on 4.0, or 5.0, or whenever they will add it.

[Rombus]

I could have sworn Yoshi P said in a Live Letter that he wanted SAM to be DPS.

[Anienai]

For nostalgic reasons SAM should get a WS bar and an ability to chain them.

[Silkerin]

Just make Samurai an OT good enough to compete with WAR, and make DRK focus more on being MT, then samurai will be a tank and "dps" at same time

[Duelle]

Just make Samurai an OT good enough to compete with WAR, and make DRK focus more on being MT, then samurai will be a tank and "dps" at same time

I'd rather the tank design be changed so that no one is guaranteed MT/OT. If attempts at synergy are creating that sort of environment, something needs to be done to undo that.

Anyway, here's something sort of relevant. >.>

I dunno, I can totally see Samurai being a tank.

It's original intention in XI was a tank with it's Seigan and Third Eye ability.

I would argue more from the stance of Third Eye, the job's A scaling in Parry and the ton of parry available to them. Seigan entered the game way after SAM was introduced.

[Ranulf]

I would argue more from the stance of Third Eye, the job's A scaling in Parry and the ton of parry available to them. Seigan entered the game way after SAM was introduced.

Ahh. I started the patch that Level Sync came out, so Seigan and Third Eye were already a thing, but I still understood their original intention, lol.

They did say they were gonna re-work Parry, too. I'm hoping it becomes SAM's main thing.

At least in my eyes:

PLD: Block tank
WAR: HP tank
DRK: Magic tank
SAM: Parry tank

[Nalien]

I want Samurai to be Ranger... They historically used bows for long ranged... Slap them with a bow in the main hand and a Katana in the offhand slot and build their mechanics around switching between ranged and melee...

Then I'd maybe accept them being a Tank? IDK, I'd rather they still be a DPS, but a DEX Tank is OK... I just don't want another VIT/STR Tank... Ideally I'd like Blue Mage to be an INT Tank with Blue Magic acting as a sort of Counter spell (get hit by Bomb Toss, throw it right back at the enemy), or Red Mage can work in that regard as well (Fencing and weaving magic in there, with some self heals effectively giving it its full Sword/White/Black Magic thing).

I'm just kinda sick of how standard roles are becoming, I guess... All the Tanks are the same at heart, a mage based Tank would be interesting... Likewise for Healers, I wouldn't mind something like Dancer for a Healer just because that wouldn't be a mage Healer...

[Harlow]

Do people that hate tanking really get into the profession with the introduction of new jobs? I know that a lot of people did when DRK was introduced but I'm not sure how many stuck around. At HW launch it was easier to just assume that if you were healing a DRK that they would be a DPS in disguise and that they, more likely than not, wouldn't be using Grit or anything else that may lower their damage in some way. I haven't seen anyone like that since the first couple of months of HW but I for real wonder how many of them just gave up on tanking and how many of them stuck it out and became good tanks. I feel like this would be a really interesting statistic to see but I also feel like we never actually will see it so who knows, right?

By the way, this isn't really for or against Samurai being a tank, it could be cool either way. It's just kind of a thing that I've always wondered when I see these kinds of threads.

[Shippuu]

Do people that hate tanking really get into the profession with the introduction of new jobs? I know that a lot of people did when DRK was introduced but I'm not sure how many stuck around. At HW launch it was easier to just assume that if you were healing a DRK that they would be a DPS in disguise and that they, more likely than not, wouldn't be using Grit or anything else that may lower their damage in some way. I haven't seen anyone like that since the first couple of months of HW but I for real wonder how many of them just gave up on tanking and how many of them stuck it out and became good tanks. I feel like this would be a really interesting statistic to see but I also feel like we never actually will see it so who knows, right?

By the way, this isn't really for or against Samurai being a tank, it could be cool either way. It's just kind of a thing that I've always wondered when I see these kinds of threads.

It's not necessarily a matter of increasing the number of tank players. Ideally you want to entice players to at least try to play tanks as they're are the most in-demand role. When DRK came out, it got plenty of people to try it, so the number of tank players did spike, though they would eventually settle down to around their usual number.

The main thing however, is that you don't want the number of tank players to go down. Which is exactly what will happen if they simply add new DPS jobs. You will have tank players switching to DPS which only hurts the game. This is why it's important to introduce new tank roles regularly more-so than probably any other role. Especially ones that have popular appeal such as a Samurai does, it has a big following requesting it to be added to the game.