Quote Originally Posted by Torunya View Post
Seriously bro, better make sure you got your bases covered next time before taking a low blow.
Ah, sorry, didn't realize people wouldn't understand this. Allow me to explain:

You see, this poster - Starbirth, whose name in game is Nebula Starbirth, who leveled the class Gladiator to then unlock Paladin as their "Main Class" (this is important, remember this) - they insinuated quite a few things.

Firstly, they assume that Warrior should be nerfed, as it's "overpowered". This discussion has come up in quite a long thread, called something along the lines of "Nerf WAR! ", you can find it if you search for a minute or two. It's a common idea that WAR needed to be brought down, instead of the others brought up - however, this doesn't take into account that all tanks baseline damage is being nerfed via switching our AP to scaling purely with STR, to scaling with STR & VIT at a lower rate for both combined than with just STR previously. So the common complaint that "Warrior is doing BRD/MCH levels of damage!", though was already flawed, isn't true at all anymore.

So what does this mean? This means we need to look at each job in relation to the others. WAR is touted as the "DPS tank" (which it is) and the "self heal tank" (which it is). PLD is touted as the defensive tank (which it isn't) and DRK is touted as... well... nothing (which... I mean it's got magic mitigation I guess). So of these 3, which are lacking? I'd put my money on PLD and DRK not really following through with what they're designed to be. DRK already does WAR level DPS, it doesn't need boosting in that regard - it mainly needs to feel a niche that isn't just mitigating some more magic damage (MP management doesn't count as that doesn't contribute to the group, it's just a factor in DRK's DPS which as I said already is fine). PLD is a bit lower than DRK, which would be fine if it's toolkit actually made up for it... but it doesn't.

Now, with this knowledge, what can we gather? WAR is doing fine, it's doing what it's meant to do, it's a solidly put together job - possibly one of the most well put together in the game (barring SCH). Let's say we brought WAR down - would this fix PLD's/DRK's problems? No - it would just make WAR clumsy and poorly designed like the other 2. Everyone who doesn't have their heads firmly planted in their backside wants parity, wants balance, wants everyone to work together. There are certainly slight tweaks you can make to WAR - I feel Equilibrium should be on a longer CD and that SE is too strong of an offensive boost. DRK and PLD don't necessarily need SE, but they need something to either boost DPS or boost mitigation that then boosts DPS through that.

There's a lot I could go into RE: DRK & PLD's problems, but that's kind of missing the point. The reason I wanted to point out these problems in the first place is to just make it clear that WAR doesn't need outright nerfing to bring parity - with the VIT change, you can literally just boost everyone else up. WAR will lose it's "DPS tank" niche, but even just as a self heal tank it's got a lot going for it and I think it'd be fine filling that role.

So, onto my second point, and that's that Starbirth (the one you quoted, incase I've made that ambiguous) is calling the WAR population "nerds" for not wanting their job to be nerfed. I've already discussed the reasoning for not wanting WAR nerfed above and there are various other points to be made that I probably haven't covered, but I'd also like to point out that "nerds" is used as an insult here. Uncool, right? I mean, some people find "nerds" to be an endearing thing, but within the context of that post they're using it to mean (essentially) "idiots". Now, that's not cool - that's not cool at all. I can't say that every WAR is smart, or stupid, or anything in-between - but classifying all the people who don't want WAR nerfs as "nerds" (WAR or otherwise) is a bit... well... uncool.

Alright, follow me here, now - from this point I was feeling a bit... confused I guess, had the urge to make the post I'm making now to point out some things to them, but then I realized... oh... Paladin. Now, I feel like I made my point with that post alone, but since it's apparently been misinterpreted I'll clarify: this person has no perspective. They are fine with WAR being nerfed for their supposed view on what would be parity because their's is currently only 51. For some ungodly reason no one wants their job buffed - everyone wants WAR brought down to their level. I genuinely do not get this mindset. Like, I start to think that the people with this mindset just want balance and are taking themselves out of the equation... but then surely that leads them to the conclusion that WAR only needs minor tweaks and the 2 other jobs need major ones. Surely, right? Is this only obvious to me? I dunno.

So, in conclusion, I pointed out that his main was PLD because he insulted a pretty big group of people and kinda went down the road of "buff PLD nerf WAR"... as a PLD...

Also both of you are PLDs, which I guess is just an interesting side note. Viridian City is cool though.

Also also, sorry for the long post, but I didn't want any of my points misinterpreted this time around. I probably could still be incoherent in some places as I was about to head to sleep before I saw this, so if something is weirdly worded I apologize. My assumptions might also be wrong all together, though in general I don't think it's cool to insult a group of people just because you don't agree with their opinion.

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