Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Kuwagami]

The more I think back about it, the more I'm amazed that such mentality is stronger in sub-based games than in free to plays. For all my experience in F2P, I have never met a player not performing at the max they could. Some had strange or atypic builds BUT they were trying their utmost because they didn't want to be a bother to other players.

On the contrary, every sub-based game I tried is plagued with slackers. Why is that ? Do people enjoy paying 15$ a month to NOT play a game as greatly as they could when they do it for free ? What the heck ?

Well when you get reported one day I'll be here having fun while you are sitting raging you can't play anymore

also FFXIV is designed to for solo players. Use of Duty Finder is strongly encoraged by the game itself and many quests cannot be done with a group due to private instancing. It's a pain in the butt to try and play with a friend.

Don't you worry. I never ever call them out on numbers unless they ask for them (and even then I never trash them people asking are people willing to improve). I don't need that to tell that a dps is horribly bad. The day I get banned will be the day I get hacked.

also, nope. You're confused between "solo game", in which performance doesn't matter if you win, and "solo player in a group game", in which performance DOES matter. Not to mention DF was originally thought to ease grouping for people who can't get a group together, not to become the "end-all-be-all" way to do content. But blah blah easier, faster.

They're third party software and thus against the TOS, Yoshi-P has stated he dislikes them because it breeds eliteism and thus has no plans to add one. (I vaugely recall talk of them consdieirng adding one that shows Your own and only your own DPS to appese the self improvement crowd though). They have and will ban players that publicly admit to using them.

And yet we're getting training halls which are a dps meter, although not a precise one. SE's actions contradict your claims here.

What is condemned and banned concerning parsers is NOT their use (all of the raiding groups publicly use them and show them on clear vids and such) but when you use it to trash someone else. Which is just being a dick anyway and would get you banned for harassment all the same

[Lego3400]

The more I think back about it, the more I'm amazed that such mentality is stronger in sub-based games than in free to plays. For all my experience in F2P, I have never met a player not performing at the max they could. Some had strange or atypic builds BUT they were trying their utmost because they didn't want to be a bother to other players.

On the contrary, every sub-based game I tried is plagued with slackers. Why is that ? Do people enjoy paying 15$ a month to NOT play a game as greatly as they could when they do it for free ? What the heck ?

People that play F2P games tned to enjoy a much grinder game. Techinally speaking a player of this game could avoid the grind almost entirely if they don't level up extra classes or instead level alts instead. The only times you would need to grind are really the exp droughts at high levels. I personally play this game for it's story, which is above and beyond many other recent FF games due to being a bit more "Classic" in nature. The fact that it's fun to play and I have an excellent FC based around a single common trait most of us share only makes it more fun.

And yet we're getting training halls which are a dps meter, although not a precise one. SE's actions contradict your claims here.

What is condemned and banned concerning parsers is NOT their use (all of the raiding groups publicly use them and show them on clear vids and such) but when you use it to trash someone else. Which is just being a dick anyway and would get you banned for harassment all the same

The training halls would be for the Personal improvment crowd I mentioned. They're still actively against showing you other players numbers for the exact reasons I mentioned.

[Kuwagami]

The training halls would be for the Personal improvment crowd I mentioned. They're still actively against showing you other players numbers for the exact reasons I mentioned.

No. Yoshida specifically said that you would be able to ask for a specific training level openly, like "only TL 8 or higher", which is pretty much akin to "1200+ dps or gtfo". Which also means kicking sub-perfoming players for that reason becomes justified.

In short, in game parser is added to the game and WILL become a way to weed out slackers without getting banned. Because they would break the terms of the party they joined so can't complain about being called out.

[Lego3400]

No. Yoshida specifically said that you would be able to ask for a specific training level openly, like "only TL 8 or higher", which is pretty much akin to "1200+ dps or gtfo". Which also means kicking sub-perfoming players for that reason becomes justified.

Sure you can ask, but I doubt the game will actively support it's use by having a special field in the party finder. It would be like creating a group where everyone is required to wear the hempen underpants in the description and kicking players that aren't wearing it. It's a verbal (or wirtten as the case may be) contract between players which SE is loathe to involve themselves with outside speical cases. Aside from sub par preformace (Which you can't call them out on without getting banned yourself for publicly admiting you can see their numbers) there would be no way to tell. It's a win win. Those that use it to be elitist jerks will get banned when they get reported and players will use it to improve themselves.