Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Lego3400]

Honestly at this point I've out dps'd people as a healer and thats just sad.
I've also had dps try and heal me instead of dpsing.

You're the kind of person that berates Summoners for raising a party member to prevent a wipe when the healer is overtaxed aren't you
??

[Spawnie]

honestly threads like these are tiresome.. some1 doesnt meet your standards of gameplay so gotta go to forums n vent??

heck did a snowcloak through roulette 2day the tank was new couldnt hold hate.. did we whine about it?? no.. we helped him politely with rotations and were patient with him heck even the bosses myself as ninja and the other dps as ninja kept rotating hate to help the tank get a feel for the fight then we let him take hate once he saw the rotations.. none of the party got annoyed we actually had fun :3

[Minseo]

honestly threads like these are tiresome.. some1 doesnt meet your standards of gameplay so gotta go to forums n vent??

heck did a snowcloak through roulette 2day the tank was new couldnt hold hate.. did we whine about it?? no.. we helped him politely with rotations and were patient with him heck even the bosses myself as ninja and the other dps as ninja kept rotating hate to help the tank get a feel for the fight then we let him take hate once he saw the rotations.. none of the party got annoyed we actually had fun :3

You seem to miss the point.
The dps in the ops original post didn't want to learn. Your situation is one I wish I got more often compared to the myraids of tanks who blame it on me when they dont know how to keep aggro properly and then refuse to improve.

[Minseo]

You're the kind of person that berates Summoners for raising a party member to prevent a wipe when the healer is overtaxed aren't you
??

Pardon for the double post I'm on mobile but I just couldn't resist this.
Now where did you get that from? No I berate people who literally try and physick me when I am in the middle of casting cure on myself. You know it's not nice to assume ya?
I know full well the others can revive and I am okay with that, in some cases I'm thankful. However I would like you to tell me where you got that idea that I would be that kind of person?

[Kuwagami]

The more I think back about it, the more I'm amazed that such mentality is stronger in sub-based games than in free to plays. For all my experience in F2P, I have never met a player not performing at the max they could. Some had strange or atypic builds BUT they were trying their utmost because they didn't want to be a bother to other players.

On the contrary, every sub-based game I tried is plagued with slackers. Why is that ? Do people enjoy paying 15$ a month to NOT play a game as greatly as they could when they do it for free ? What the heck ?

Well when you get reported one day I'll be here having fun while you are sitting raging you can't play anymore

also FFXIV is designed to for solo players. Use of Duty Finder is strongly encoraged by the game itself and many quests cannot be done with a group due to private instancing. It's a pain in the butt to try and play with a friend.

Don't you worry. I never ever call them out on numbers unless they ask for them (and even then I never trash them people asking are people willing to improve). I don't need that to tell that a dps is horribly bad. The day I get banned will be the day I get hacked.

also, nope. You're confused between "solo game", in which performance doesn't matter if you win, and "solo player in a group game", in which performance DOES matter. Not to mention DF was originally thought to ease grouping for people who can't get a group together, not to become the "end-all-be-all" way to do content. But blah blah easier, faster.

They're third party software and thus against the TOS, Yoshi-P has stated he dislikes them because it breeds eliteism and thus has no plans to add one. (I vaugely recall talk of them consdieirng adding one that shows Your own and only your own DPS to appese the self improvement crowd though). They have and will ban players that publicly admit to using them.

And yet we're getting training halls which are a dps meter, although not a precise one. SE's actions contradict your claims here.

What is condemned and banned concerning parsers is NOT their use (all of the raiding groups publicly use them and show them on clear vids and such) but when you use it to trash someone else. Which is just being a dick anyway and would get you banned for harassment all the same

[Lego3400]

The more I think back about it, the more I'm amazed that such mentality is stronger in sub-based games than in free to plays. For all my experience in F2P, I have never met a player not performing at the max they could. Some had strange or atypic builds BUT they were trying their utmost because they didn't want to be a bother to other players.

On the contrary, every sub-based game I tried is plagued with slackers. Why is that ? Do people enjoy paying 15$ a month to NOT play a game as greatly as they could when they do it for free ? What the heck ?

People that play F2P games tned to enjoy a much grinder game. Techinally speaking a player of this game could avoid the grind almost entirely if they don't level up extra classes or instead level alts instead. The only times you would need to grind are really the exp droughts at high levels. I personally play this game for it's story, which is above and beyond many other recent FF games due to being a bit more "Classic" in nature. The fact that it's fun to play and I have an excellent FC based around a single common trait most of us share only makes it more fun.

And yet we're getting training halls which are a dps meter, although not a precise one. SE's actions contradict your claims here.

What is condemned and banned concerning parsers is NOT their use (all of the raiding groups publicly use them and show them on clear vids and such) but when you use it to trash someone else. Which is just being a dick anyway and would get you banned for harassment all the same

The training halls would be for the Personal improvment crowd I mentioned. They're still actively against showing you other players numbers for the exact reasons I mentioned.

[Kuwagami]

The training halls would be for the Personal improvment crowd I mentioned. They're still actively against showing you other players numbers for the exact reasons I mentioned.

No. Yoshida specifically said that you would be able to ask for a specific training level openly, like "only TL 8 or higher", which is pretty much akin to "1200+ dps or gtfo". Which also means kicking sub-perfoming players for that reason becomes justified.

In short, in game parser is added to the game and WILL become a way to weed out slackers without getting banned. Because they would break the terms of the party they joined so can't complain about being called out.

[Lego3400]

No. Yoshida specifically said that you would be able to ask for a specific training level openly, like "only TL 8 or higher", which is pretty much akin to "1200+ dps or gtfo". Which also means kicking sub-perfoming players for that reason becomes justified.

Sure you can ask, but I doubt the game will actively support it's use by having a special field in the party finder. It would be like creating a group where everyone is required to wear the hempen underpants in the description and kicking players that aren't wearing it. It's a verbal (or wirtten as the case may be) contract between players which SE is loathe to involve themselves with outside speical cases. Aside from sub par preformace (Which you can't call them out on without getting banned yourself for publicly admiting you can see their numbers) there would be no way to tell. It's a win win. Those that use it to be elitist jerks will get banned when they get reported and players will use it to improve themselves.

[ChalupaBatman]

Have not really read much of the thread, but from what I have it seems just like the one that popped up like 3 weeks ago. Anyways Ill just say what i always say.

I play my game the way that I have the most fun and that is by playing to my utmost capability.

You can play however you like it doesnt really matter to me, however If you are going to party with me, I expect you not to waste my time. I expect the 4 man or 8 man I joined to be a 4 man and an 8 man and not a 3 man and a 7 man. Obviously I cant pick and choose who I party with all the time and am generally tolerant of people that under preform as long as it looks like they are trying. If you dont meet my expectations which are very low upon first impressions then I simply will make a note to not party with you that simple and we can both go and find the group of players we mesh with.

[Jynx]

I simply will make a note to not party with you that simple and we can both go and find the group of players we mesh with.

The sad fact is that this has little impact on anyone. Chances are anyone your actually group up and party with is going to at least do enough to not look like they are asleep.

Some people in this thread think (not you) that clicking a button that groups you up RANDOMLY with next to anonymous players (Different servers) they are going to get people who are all going to be on their A game or even care what they think or expect of them. The real problem isn't the lack of DPS gauges and whatnot it's the unrealistic expectations people have of others when they are joining random people who have zero requirement or socially driven consequences to make them play with even a ounce of effort.

How is a damage meter going to influence these people, it's not.

Regardless of your "hard numbers" or lack of, they can still kick you for calling them out if they have the support of more than themselves in 4 man content. Parsers wont help the problem at all, in my opinion they would only add another layer to the entire mess giving people another large stick to beat people with. Parsers are great for endgame content, but if your parsing people in a roulette dungeon just to call them out because they aren't going all out?

You need to start thinking about running with preformed groups.