Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Laladyn]

Game needs a ingame parser, thats all.

[Seryl199]

There is a fine line between playing the game wrong (IE: Not using a skill at all) and not playing up to your standards (Not using a skill as often as you think it should be used despite victory)

There's a distinct line between a player that is ignoring part of their toolkit and a player that plays imperfectly, but tries. I'd rather play with a newbie that struggles with their rotation than an "experienced" player that ignores part of their rotation because they feel it's beneath them.

[Atoli]

Ah, this topic again
I can't help but wonder why these threads are always started with a chatlog showing one thing and one thing only: that the OP is an insensitive, rude person who can't believe someone didn't take his "advice" when the advice was basically "shut up and do what I say because I say so".

Personally, I hold all roles by the same standards.
If they kind of suck, I'm annoyed, but I won't throw a huge fit over it. I'll just keep that annoyance to myself or if it was unbearably annoying, I'll bitch to friends about it afterwards.
If they suck big time (as in, making it impossible to clear the dungeon), I explain to them what they should do in a friendly manner with easy explanations why that would be better.
(if they react in a very defensive way or with insults, I simply leave, because I don't have to waste my time or nerves with them if they are not willing to learn no matter the circumstances. But that only happened once so far in thousands of runs of all kinds of content, so yeah...)

The result:
countless people who actually listened to my advice and applied it on the spot and zero kicks since the start of ARR.
"It's not what you say, but how you say it.", keep that in mind

[Critical-Limit]

Ah, this topic again

"It's not what you say, but how you say it.", keep that in mind

I have this same mindset. I have been kicked zero times since the beginning. And I've met only 1 person who will straight up ignore what was asked of them.

I have a hunch if I start criticizing in the same manner as OP, I'll see a increase in players ignoring my advice. Because most people don't want to accept feeling little and listen when they are talked down to like their inferior.

[Reilyn]

It's called "tact". Maybe look into it.

*refers to first post again*

All I see is him asking if he was indeed communicating with human beings, and 'why aren't you using enochian?'.

If someone gets butthurt over that, I'm telling you from first-hand experience; no amount of tact will fix people with too much ego, and don't want to learn, and the apologists here defend those people.

[Maxidelta]

Doesn't matter if wrong, right or somewhere inbetween. Fact of the matter is he chose to engage in an argument, got kicked for harassment, a GM will do nothing if brought up, the end. Next time either frame your question with a little less hostility or suffer in silence. Third option is to make your own party, won't have this problem then.

I'm baffled you attempted to antagonize them when clearly they outnumbered you for votes. Not very smart.

[Frederick22]

Doesn't matter if wrong, right or somewhere inbetween. Fact of the matter is he chose to engage in an argument, got kicked for harassment, a GM will do nothing if brought up, the end. Next time either frame your question with a little less hostility or suffer in silence. Third option is to make your own party, won't have this problem then.

I'm baffled you attempted to antagonize them when clearly they outnumbered you for votes. Not very smart.

Seriously man, you should read the entire thread before making such a comment like that.

[Maxidelta]

Seriously man, you should read the entire thread before making such a comment like that.

And maybe you shouldn't reply to a comment based on only your own assumption?

[Frederick22]

And maybe you shouldn't reply to a comment based on only your own assumption?

You are judging someone without any prove and lack of word. If you read the hole thread you would see that was not the OP's fault.

[Maxidelta]

You are judging someone without any prove and lack of word. If you read the hole thread you would see that was not the OP's fault.

That's a bit better.

He starts off with passive aggression by asking the BLM he's a bot. Sorry but that's a bad start then and there. So jerk remark would obviously get a jerk response. Argument starts. He gets kicked out of the party.

Tank may have been a bit too hostile, but it could have been easily avoided had he either just approached it a bit differently or better yet just got on with it and finished the dungeon. Some players aren't that great at their job, that's duty finder. He basically shoots himself in the foot and screws himself over by wasting more time to queue for another dungeon. That's why I said it's not very particularly smart what he did. Personally I'd have just got on with it just to get it out of the way.