Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Lego3400]

Damage meters are against the ToS because these are 3rd party software which is data-mining.

For the second part of your statement. How much fun are you going to have if the boss doesn't die? If the tank doesn't tank more than one mob. If the healer heals only the tank? Some people have fun while wiping and trolling - shouldn't they be allowed to have fun?

There is a huge diffrence between "failing" and "not doing well enough for someone else's arbitrary standards" No one will disagree trolls are bad. Nor will anyone agree wipeing all day is fun. But if you can down it, that's all that matters, not the actual numbers.

[CookieMonsta]

And this kind of thinking is EXACTLY why Damage meters are against the TOS. All that matters is the boss dies and you have fun. Don't worry about anyone else.



It also created a community of elitest pricks who require everyone to be overgeared before step foot into content suitable for their current iLevel. Wow's comunity is close to (if not actully) being outright toxic. Unless you have a core group of freinds or find one of the gems hiding in the trash, most people only care about numbers. We don't want that additude here.

Go do Alex Savage, then tell us about how much "fun" you had.
Damage meters allow DPS to be held accountable, something Tanks and healers have had to deal with since day 1.

[RiceisNice]

In regards to me coining “ knowing the fact that "you get new skills as you level" is elitism.” this is not what I meant. Knowing that you get new skills is not elitism. Expecting others to know is. Expecting them to conform to your expectations for how a class should be played is Elitism. In this case, expecting the BLM to use Enochian. Knowing these quests existed and how to best play a class just makes you....more, intuitive, I guess.

That's exactly my point. You've gone through levels 1-50 gaining new skills or traits every 2 levels, and a new skill from your job NPC every 5 levels. Why would 50-60 (which requires the purchase of an expansion mind you) be any different? You're practically saying that having any form of expectation for the basic concept of the game is considered elitism.

[Lego3400]

Go do Alex Savage, then tell us about how much "fun" you had.
Damage meters allow DPS to be held accountable, something Tanks and healers have had to deal with since day 1.

You can hold them accountable if you die to some sort of enrage mechanics. Otherwise the fault isn't theres unless it was due to death. IF there's no enrage and everyone wipes, someone screwed something up and it wasn't the amount of damage output. Damage out put only tells you how fast the thing's gonna die. Not if you survive.

[Archaell]

There is a huge diffrence between "failing" and "not doing well enough for someone else's arbitrary standards" No one will disagree trolls are bad. Nor will anyone agree wipeing all day is fun. But if you can down it, that's all that matters, not the actual numbers.

My personal standard is a simple question: If the whole party performed at the level of the weakest link, would it be possible to progress? If no, the person has a lot of work to do.

We could take it even one step ahead. What if the whole group decreased their performance to 50% of the weakest link? I highly doubt it would be possible to have fun in such scenario when you just want your daily roulette bonus.

As long as the content gets cleared is a really weak and the most toxic attitude you can have. Because if the bad player had to carry someone who is half good as them... nothing would get cleared ever.

[Minseo]

Honestly at this point I've out dps'd people as a healer and thats just sad.
I've also had dps try and heal me instead of dpsing.

[Spawnie]

honestly threads like these are tiresome.. some1 doesnt meet your standards of gameplay so gotta go to forums n vent??

heck did a snowcloak through roulette 2day the tank was new couldnt hold hate.. did we whine about it?? no.. we helped him politely with rotations and were patient with him heck even the bosses myself as ninja and the other dps as ninja kept rotating hate to help the tank get a feel for the fight then we let him take hate once he saw the rotations.. none of the party got annoyed we actually had fun :3

[Lego3400]

Honestly at this point I've out dps'd people as a healer and thats just sad.
I've also had dps try and heal me instead of dpsing.

You're the kind of person that berates Summoners for raising a party member to prevent a wipe when the healer is overtaxed aren't you
??

[Minseo]

honestly threads like these are tiresome.. some1 doesnt meet your standards of gameplay so gotta go to forums n vent??

heck did a snowcloak through roulette 2day the tank was new couldnt hold hate.. did we whine about it?? no.. we helped him politely with rotations and were patient with him heck even the bosses myself as ninja and the other dps as ninja kept rotating hate to help the tank get a feel for the fight then we let him take hate once he saw the rotations.. none of the party got annoyed we actually had fun :3

You seem to miss the point.
The dps in the ops original post didn't want to learn. Your situation is one I wish I got more often compared to the myraids of tanks who blame it on me when they dont know how to keep aggro properly and then refuse to improve.

[Minseo]

You're the kind of person that berates Summoners for raising a party member to prevent a wipe when the healer is overtaxed aren't you
??

Pardon for the double post I'm on mobile but I just couldn't resist this.
Now where did you get that from? No I berate people who literally try and physick me when I am in the middle of casting cure on myself. You know it's not nice to assume ya?
I know full well the others can revive and I am okay with that, in some cases I'm thankful. However I would like you to tell me where you got that idea that I would be that kind of person?