Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[DGladius]

The same could be turned around as well though, some people run into the duty finder expecting everyone to be knowledgeable about every detail of a dungeon and every intricacy of their job.

People in general expect far too much from random grouping.

In JP servers, players use duty finder to farm and pf for learning parties. Since the general quality of player-base in JP is higher overall, you'll get access to more players that perform well from all the servers in the data center rather than just limiting to one server in PF. Much more efficient.

[Reilyn]

And the fact of the matter is that if your dps sucks in FFXIV, we know. We just can't say it out loud.

... for the fear of being reported and banned because 3rd party program use, and antagonizing the player (even if you didn't mean to, people will report you to get you banned if you so much as sneeze in the general direction of their feelings to hurt them).

Yet WoW had damage meters for ~10 years, and that driven alot of people to not suck at their class because everyone will know, and they know they would be called out on it. That alone created drive to make people want to get better.

[Ashkendor]

The same could be turned around as well though, some people run into the duty finder expecting everyone to be knowledgeable about every detail of a dungeon and every intricacy of their job.

True. You can't go in expecting everyone to perform as if they were clearing A4S. As for myself, I expect two things:

1) for people to actually try to the best of their ability
2) for people to take friendly advice graciously

People in general expect far too much from random grouping.

Unfortunately even my simple expectations turn out to be too much for some people. -.-

[Reilyn]

Doing good DPS in FFXIV is actually harder then a lot of other mmo mainly due to the game not having an offical addon api. If FFXIV ever gets offical addons dpsing will become much easier. Anyone who did play wow can tell you that dps was so easy due to the number of addons people made for it. From things that tracked buffs/debuffs/procs, to rotation helpers which tell you what buttons you should be pressing.

Those addons did exist, and made it unnecessarily easier, but there's the simple fact that most dps 'rotations' were actually proc/priority hybrid systems that took no more than a half-dozen unique keybinds in WoW. You just had to think fast because of how much more responsive the game is, and it's 1.5 second GCDs.

The one job in FF14 that's most like the majority of dps classes and specs from WoW is 2.0 BRD.

That is the main reason dpsing in WoW is comparatively easier; there never was ~12 buttons required to DPS well as anything. For some classes, they had 2-3 button rotations for years.

[Eul]

In JP servers, players use duty finder to farm and pf for learning parties and farm party.

FTFY. /10char

[Reilyn]

The developers inherently whether they want to or not promote this kind of behavior part in parcel to how the duty finder itself works. If players had to deal with the social repercussions of being utterly terrible at their job as a DPS/Healer/Tank the amount of people who just don't care would be down dramatically.

The drive-by nature of the duty finder lets people get away with not doing their job because other than the odd dismissal they don't get any blowback at all and because there are no punishments for their character they can repeat this cycle ad-neasuem. If the game required you to group up with others by making a party like the party finder then you know you are accountable for your actions (Socially at least).

It's a shame that most people who haven't come from years of WoW don't understand how true this is, and how effective it was at making people strive to get better. At least 9/10 players ran recount (in truth, everyone I knew ran it).

[Ilitsa]

Asking a person 'why aren't you doing X?' is now considered rude.

Fractal apparently isn't lvl60 content.

All of you are over-sensitive fools coddling the worst type of players because feelings may be vaguely hurt somehow by a simple question, or can't read.

This is why I never think much of this forum community.

In before I get banned for this too.

I never said coddling anything, people need to be held accountable. However, there's a proper, constructive way to do it, and a negative way. The negative way never results in actual change happening, but being constructive tends to lend a hell of a lot more in improving someone. Maybe it's not us being "over sensitive fools" and you just being a hyper-aggressive scumlord.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I still get lvl 50 drgs that don't use heavy thrust...

I had one that only spammed the full thrust combo for an entire dungeon.

I gave up trying to help people since they never respond well to feedback, even when its not confrontational.

[Reilyn]

Maybe it's not us being "over sensitive fools"

It is if you think asking a person a yes or no question such as 'are you a bot?', and 'why aren't you using X?' is rude, and the treatment the OP got was deserved, all the while you defend poor play, and worse conduct to a player that can offer help, just because the tone you think the OP used was rude.

Read the words for what they are without the implied tone that you think exists between the OP and the others in the group.

and you just being a hyper-aggressive scumlord.

I'm not the only one who sees much of this community and yoshida's own viewpoint on damage parsers some time ago has a major problem in backwards thinking, and mentalities reflective of SJWs at the cost of leaving players ignorant, and silencing people who want to make people aware they need to improve because feelings may be hurt. I'm just less tolerant of it as time goes on, and I'm tired of mincing words. Sue me.

People want to complain dps checks are too high, yet parsing is a bannable offense that people will report you for if it hurts their ego in the slightest, and telling someone they're doing it wrong is offensive even in the least offensive forms.

I'm out of posts for the day, so have fun.

[TheUltimateSeph]

But aren't the level 60 dungeons exactly what the game and the people are expecting from you - Doing a acceptable performance?
Sure, 'doing them for fun' is fine. But usually you do them 'for fun' only once, for the sake of MSQ progress.

Gardening is 'fun', decorating your home is 'fun', glamoring is 'fun' to some extent. No one will call you out on that.

But if you start doing the dungeons/roulettes for the sake of loot/gear/tomes, aka progress, you better put your back in it.

I'm probably misunderstanding you. Are you comparing something involving real life work like gardening to grinding tomestones for progress in a game and implying that gardening is easy while playing the game for progresses sake should be taken more seriously?