Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Jynx]

It's a shame the things we give up for convenience no?

The developers inherently whether they want to or not promote this kind of behavior part in parcel to how the duty finder itself works. If players had to deal with the social repercussions of being utterly terrible at their job as a DPS/Healer/Tank the amount of people who just don't care would be down dramatically.

The drive-by nature of the duty finder lets people get away with not doing their job because other than the odd dismissal they don't get any blowback at all and because there are no punishments for their character they can repeat this cycle ad-neasuem. If the game required you to group up with others by making a party like the party finder then you know you are accountable for your actions (Socially at least).

The same could be turned around as well though, some people run into the duty finder expecting everyone to be knowledgeable about every detail of a dungeon and every intricacy of their job.

People in general expect far too much from random grouping.

[DGladius]

The same could be turned around as well though, some people run into the duty finder expecting everyone to be knowledgeable about every detail of a dungeon and every intricacy of their job.

People in general expect far too much from random grouping.

In JP servers, players use duty finder to farm and pf for learning parties. Since the general quality of player-base in JP is higher overall, you'll get access to more players that perform well from all the servers in the data center rather than just limiting to one server in PF. Much more efficient.

[Eul]

In JP servers, players use duty finder to farm and pf for learning parties and farm party.

FTFY. /10char

[Ashkendor]

The same could be turned around as well though, some people run into the duty finder expecting everyone to be knowledgeable about every detail of a dungeon and every intricacy of their job.

True. You can't go in expecting everyone to perform as if they were clearing A4S. As for myself, I expect two things:

1) for people to actually try to the best of their ability
2) for people to take friendly advice graciously

People in general expect far too much from random grouping.

Unfortunately even my simple expectations turn out to be too much for some people. -.-

[Reilyn]

The developers inherently whether they want to or not promote this kind of behavior part in parcel to how the duty finder itself works. If players had to deal with the social repercussions of being utterly terrible at their job as a DPS/Healer/Tank the amount of people who just don't care would be down dramatically.

The drive-by nature of the duty finder lets people get away with not doing their job because other than the odd dismissal they don't get any blowback at all and because there are no punishments for their character they can repeat this cycle ad-neasuem. If the game required you to group up with others by making a party like the party finder then you know you are accountable for your actions (Socially at least).

It's a shame that most people who haven't come from years of WoW don't understand how true this is, and how effective it was at making people strive to get better. At least 9/10 players ran recount (in truth, everyone I knew ran it).

[Cherie]

People in general expect far too much from random grouping.

Not really, if you had four people that all behaved the way described in the same group, they would likely not be able to finish the dungeon. They expect someone else to pick up the slack for them and that is annoying.

Something like that happened today, I was leveling my astro and was in Quarn via a roulette. Bard plays ballad the ENTIRE run, I ask him politely to stop: "Thank you for playing ballad, however, I don't need it for this dungeon, you can turn it off and focus dps". He doesn't respond, and after he goes and faceplants and dies from not following the group a few times, he turns it back on immediately when he rezzes.

Then first boss, it's the boss that puts "Doom" on people and they have to go clear it by stepping on the square. Everyone but me dies, then wipe, try again. I explain how it works, no one says anything back to me. Everyone dies again....etc.

I've come to expect people to either say something incredibly rude or not talk at all.

"If you don't have anything horrible to say,then don't say anything at all" right?

I just leave dungeons like that. I give everyone a fair shot to do what they are supposed to do, but after a few tries or someone mouths off, I just leave and take the penalty. It's my right to leave after all. I don't need any heavy handed person telling me it's my duty to try to carry people that won't listen/communicate or even be polite.