Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Whiteroom]

I...I was only joking but we are well on our way o_o

The last one made 100, the page count goals in here are lower than duty finder dps expectations.

[Morzy]

You can say whatever you want. You canc all them trash and have whatever opinion you desire. You can wonder why such a playstyle and laziness is accepted in this community. You can criticize them for not knowing what they should about their class at this point in time, during Fractual Continuum.

But imo at the end of the day all you can do is give them advice. If you sit there and tell them how to do something you'd be stupid to assume they will take your advice at heart and reply with "You're right, I'll do as you say." or "Thank you for the advice, I will try that next time."

My opinion is that you were a jerk and that BLM can play however the hell they want in fact they could have roleplayed as a Ice Mage and you'd still be in the same situation telling them how to play and boasting how you have the job to 60 implying that you're oh-so-smart and know it better than them, dude some people hate that attitude and despite what you expect it didn't go your way and you got the boot because even though you feel like you didn't deserve the kick, you were the one meddling with someone else's gameplay, you could have continued on instead of doing that and probably making another player uncomfortable.

edit: I understand people have differing opinions and this thread became a mess. At the end of the day I think people can play however they want and learn at their own pace. And some people learn slower than others*. Honestly if you would have went about that from a different approach, like a friend putting his hand on their shoulder and honestly giving them advice as they are learning their job, from a non-agressive standpoint, you would be A-OK but you didn't, you were a jerk.

Instead of giving them a memory of them slowly learning the skill or a friend giving them advice and helping them learn it themselves.. They have the memory of some random jerk telling them they don't know crap about their job and boasting how much more you know. They gotta remember you pointing out their mistake like "why aren't you using this, are you stupid? do you know your own job at all?"


*: Me? I learned MNK hella slow. I made it my alt for fun and suddenly jumped into second coil raiding, not even planning to raid. I didn't learn the full rotation and do the positionals right until TURN 9 and thankfully I NEVER ran into friend or random that pointed out my weakness like you just did to this BLM.

[Artemiz]

All this arguing over Fractal, an ilvl 145 dungeon. I think it's worth noting that this happened at the first boss, there has been no complaint about the AoE damage this BLM was doing (from the OP or the healer) which is what really slows dungeons down, the speed at which you kill the trash. The first boss of Fractal not only has a very large HP pool but is also the least friendly boss for a BLM of the 3. A good BLM will use Enochian for sure but as Fractal is the best place to learn your Enochian rotation I can understand why a less skilled or less confident BLM might lose it so much that they choose to stick to 2.0 rotation there, at least until they learn the fight/job better. This is the point the OP steps in, the BLM has had one chance to use Enochian and the OP was on them about it. It's not right that they didn't use it but if that's the only problem and it's the best they've got then just shut up and get on with it, it's Fractal ffs.

[FlareR]

All this arguing over Fractal, an ilvl 145 dungeon. I think it's worth noting that this happened at the first boss, there has been no complaint about the AoE damage this BLM was doing (from the OP or the healer) which is what really slows dungeons down, the speed at which you kill the trash. It's not right that they didn't use it but if that's the only problem and it's the best they've got then just shut up and get on with it, it's Fractal ffs.

I honestly didn't notice if the BLM was using Enochian or even if the BRD was using WM. I was busy healing and DPSing myself. A boss taking a long time doesn't fall on one DPS.

BTW leaving this here since people are misinformed about who said what. BLM was actually nice about the whole thing.

[Kaurie]

BTW leaving this here since people are misinformed about who said what. BLM was actually nice about the whole thing.

Thanks for updating that, the BLM did seem nice and it appears the Tank was the one with the bad attitude.

I'm still struggling with why it's OK for a tank to call Mattlock an idiot, but I can't say "Hey, parser says you're doing 500 DPS, you should be able to pull closer to 1.2k with your gear here. Would you like any tips?"

Try reading the whole post not just the bit you wanted to have a hissy fit about.
You know, stuff like this

Or you can just carry on with your little strawman over there, if you enjoy that sort of thing.

Honestly, your argument was about as relevant as hers. The question was not whether the BLM was good or could keep Enochian up, but rather that they did not use it all together. I think we can all agree that some people may find keeping enochian up a challenge and that really isn't the question in this thread.

[FlareR]

Thanks for updating that, the BLM did seem nice and it appears the Tank was the one with the bad attitude.

I'm still struggling with why it's OK for a tank to call Mattlock an idiot, but I can't say "Hey, parser says you're doing 500 DPS, you should be able to pull closer to 1.2k with your gear here. Would you like any tips?"

Oh I agree, the tank shouldn't have went there. Tank and blm were friends, but still didn't make it okay. We all take others tones differently. Tank just wasn't having it.

[Artemiz]

Honestly, your argument was about as relevant as hers. The question was not whether the BLM was good or could keep Enochian up, but rather that they did not use it all together. I think we can all agree that some people may find keeping enochian up a challenge and that really isn't the question in this thread.

I don't agree, I think my post was relevant. For a large proportion of this thread the argument has been whether the OP was wrong to basically accuse the person of being a bot and cause the argument. My point is that he jumped on the BLM too quickly as she only had the first boss to use enochian and that boss can be a pain to new BLM's. By all accounts her AoE damage was unremarkable at worst. I'm not familiar with all the bots out there but do you know of any that know when to AoE, know when to single target and know how to dodge AoE in movement heavy fights? I don't. Whether or not the OP had reason to believe the BLM was a bot is very relevant to this thread and he obviously got that call wrong.

Did I even quote you? I was responding to the argument as a whole. You aren't the only person to mention being able to clear without playing the job properly.

Either way, it was still a strawman argument.

[Kaurie]

I don't agree, I think my post was relevant. For a large proportion of this thread the argument has been whether the OP was wrong to basically accuse the person of being a bot and cause the argument. My point is that he jumped on the BLM too quickly as she only had the first boss to use enochian and that boss can be a pain to new BLM's. By all accounts her AoE damage was unremarkable at worst. I'm not familiar with all the bots out there but do you know of any that know when to AoE, know when to single target and know how to dodge AoE in movement heavy fights? I don't. Whether or not the OP had reason to believe the BLM was a bot is very relevant to this thread and he obviously got that call wrong.

I know very little about bots, and am sure that I've seen bots that I thought were actual players. We can't really make to much of an assumption on their aoe rotation, but Enochian giving a 5% buff to AoE is also significant. However, a perfectly acceptable response to the original question would be:
"I just got 60 and haven't really figured out how to use Enochian and Fire IV yet with all the aoes with that boss." or whatever.

I am not saying your post wasn't relevant, simply that it was about as relevant as hers. Her post made perfect sense too, as in "It's difficult to do this, so I am not going to bother." A lot of people in this thread have promoted that mentality as an acceptable defense.

[AnaviAnael]

You know what? Aethertrails are hard to manage, so I'm not going to bother with Dreadwyrm Trance. It's no big deal, right? We'll still clear with nothing but dots and ruin.

[Artemiz]

You know what? Aethertrails are hard to manage, so I'm not going to bother with Dreadwyrm Trance. It's no big deal, right? We'll still clear with nothing but dots and ruin.

Try reading the whole post not just the bit you wanted to have a hissy fit about.
You know, stuff like this

there has been no complaint about the AoE damage this BLM was doing

A good BLM will use Enochian for sure

I can understand why a less skilled or less confident BLM might lose it

but if that's the only problem and it's the best they've got

Or you can just carry on with your little strawman over there, if you enjoy that sort of thing.