Add a unique stat to the new Relics, so they are worth obtaining. Enough is enough.

[Velhart]

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Its fine if you like horizontal more, but don't believe it doesn't come with it's fair share of problems. It is a much more unbalanced system to work with. I used a Haubergeon+1 on my Samurai in FFXI for years and the only thing that outdated it was a level cap increase. Vertical may be a safe and linear method, but the developers don't have to go over every piece of gear in the past to make sure things don't get out of hand or what they are releasing is crap.

Despite if people believe it or not, this game does somewhat have slight horizontal like options for gear. You can either obtain esoteric gear to upgrade to 210 or you can get raid gear drops. You can do Diadem or raiding. You can do dungeons or Alexander(Normal). You can do Void Ark. If you want to bring up the BiS argument, just to let you know BiS is just as relevant for horizontal as it is vertical. That won't change at all.

That 3-4 month wait for patches will definitely be longer if developers have to put more work into gear structure with a horizontal system. Pick your poison.

[Kaurie]

Despite if people believe it or not, this game does somewhat have slight horizontal like options for gear. You can either obtain esoteric gear to upgrade to 210 or you can get raid gear drops. You can do Diadem or raiding. You can do dungeons or Alexander(Normal). You can do Void Ark. If you want to bring up the BiS argument, just to let you know BiS is just as relevant for horizontal as it is vertical. That won't change at all.

The difference between the three 210 summoner weapons is a variation of around the equivalent of 2.5 INT. That isn't much choice, it just matters which one I get first (Relic) for which I'll use.

[Velhart]

The difference between the three 210 summoner weapons is a variation of around the equivalent of 2.5 INT. That isn't much choice, it just matters which one I get first (Relic) for which I'll use.

Exactly what choices are you looking for? You are going to use the best choice regardless of the three. There is no elemental wheel to this game.

[Kaurie]

Exactly what choices are you looking for? You are going to use the best choice regardless of the three. There is no elemental wheel to this game.

My point is there is no choice. They are the same thing. As long as I have a 210 weapon, I don't care which of the three it is, because that 2.5 INT won't make a noticeable difference. I'll have greater variation in my output from latency changes.

I want choices that are actually choices. I've actually posted a suggestion on another thread:

1. Eso upgraded Weapon: Receives 1 extra Aetherflow stack when using Aetherflow
2. Gordian Savage Weapon: Reduces cooldowns of abilities by 15%
3. Relic Weapon: Increases duration of Dreadwyrm Trance by 9 seconds

Another idea:

1. Eso upgraded: Has a 10% Chance to Summon a Thordan Egi for 10 seconds on the use of Fester
2. Gordian Savage Weapon: Has a 30% chance to summon all 3 Egi's when entering Dreadwyrm Trance (or Maybe just Garuda/Ifrit, as Titan may cause enmity issues) for duration of Dreadwyrm Trance.
3. Relic Weapon: Rouse's damage modifier is doubled and adds a spell speed buff to the pet as well


DISCLAIMER: All numbers and stuff are made up and would obviously be adjusted for balancing.

I'd personally love to have all Egi's summon when entering dreadwyrm trance. Even if this was like say a 50 dps loss, I may even use it, just because that'd be cool. - Further to that, it would fundamentally change my rotation, because I'd time my rouse/spur enkindle to be used while in Dreadwyrm trance IF the egi's all proced (I wouldn't if they didn't as I'd be spamming in as much other stuff with the Ruin III MP reduction + damage bonus)

[Velhart]

So...
Eso or raiding
Diadem or raiding
Dungeons or raiding(normal mode)
Void ark(24 man raiding)...(or raiding)

The way you put it doesn't make our current choices very...appealing.

I never said it was done well, just that it is there.

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Thing is those are very unbalanced stats and will promote only certain jobs to certain content and gear check based on if you have a certain weapon or not. I want to agree with people that the game needs more flavor to it. I am all for it. Its that people are not giving any ideas that don't involve major balance issues to the game. Developers listen to how a current system can be improved, not tear the structure down and start over again.

I just like for people to think really hard on improvements that would legitimately work without major balance issues. Because yes the current system is boring, it does need some flair to it. At the same time I don't want the game to go into an unbalanced mess like FFXI because of it.

[Kaurie]

Thing is those are very unbalanced stats and will promote only certain jobs to certain content and gear check based on if you have a certain weapon or not. I want to agree with people that the game needs more flavor to it. I am all for it. Its that people are not giving any ideas that don't involve major balance issues to the game. Developers listen to how a current system can be improved, not tear the structure down and start over again.
I just like for people to think really hard on improvements that would legitimately work without major balance issues. Because yes the current system is boring, it does need some flair to it. At the same time I don't want the game to go into an unbalanced mess like FFXI because of it.

I believe they can be balanced, so that they are not overpowered or required for content. We already have weapons which are more powerful than others (210 vs 200 for example) and the 210 weapons are not currently required for content, so I don't think that adding in those stats will make them any more required. The most common thing I hear people say with questions such as "What does more DPS" is "Play what you find fun", and I predict a similar mentality with this.

I am not really sure why a few people being idiots is enough reason to keep the game bland.



Further, I'd actually be all for if they made secondary stats more similar in power to primary stats, and reduced weapon damage's importance. Then change gear, so that secondary stats are not as apparent on all gear, and you can actually get some gear with only the secondary stats. In other words, I could choose between having a ring that is 50 spell speed, or 40 int. This could actually be a serious question fro BLMs, and you may actually get variation in playstyle from it.

[Velhart]

I am not really sure why a few people being idiots is enough reason to keep the game bland.

If one person can break the system, the rest will follow.

[Kallera]

Despite if people believe it or not, this game does somewhat have slight horizontal like options for gear. You can either obtain esoteric gear to upgrade to 210 or you can get raid gear drops. You can do Diadem or raiding. You can do dungeons or Alexander(Normal). You can do Void Ark. If you want to bring up the BiS argument, just to let you know BiS is just as relevant for horizontal as it is vertical. That won't change at all.

That 3-4 month wait for patches will definitely be longer if developers have to put more work into gear structure with a horizontal system. Pick your poison.

So...
Eso or raiding
Diadem or raiding
Dungeons or raiding(normal mode)
Void ark(24 man raiding)...(or raiding)

The way you put it doesn't make our current choices very...appealing.