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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post

    You have to remember that when they have to go through a longer process in terms of gear adjusting/balancing, and constantly having to rework traits and job balancing to meet the criteria of being balanced, they delay the patch further, ultimately having us suffer in the process.
    And not to play devil's advocate, but can we honestly say that with the content we've been getting lately, they are actually putting a lot of time in developing it? Relic was delayed from being a 3.0 release to whooping 3.15, and the mess known as steps 2 and 3 is what we got to show for it. "Hard work" really should not be an excuse to not work on content at this point imo. It's gotten to the point that they aren't meeting the standards that they themselves have set during 2.x cycles.

    During 2.x, I was more than willing to let it pass for them implementing things like daily quests, PvP and such (which honestly, should be a given in modern day mmos) later in 2.x's life cycle, but 3.x falls flat in being too complacent with sticking to the same content design (or worse, the same content), except it's less of it (MSQ primals, expert dungeons, etc) in favor of content that they already seem to be pushing out with very little feedback or play testing (diadem and Lov).
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    The relic is worth getting to me. The grind really isn't that much and I'm about 2/3 of the way complete with the weapon so far. It can easily be achieved in 2 or 3 weeks to a month of casual play which is pretty standard for any relic quest.
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  3. #113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante_V View Post
    The relic is worth getting to me. The grind really isn't that much and I'm about 2/3 of the way complete with the weapon so far. It can easily be achieved in 2 or 3 weeks to a month of casual play which is pretty standard for any relic quest.
    This is not relevant to the topic.

    Topic: Add interesting/unique stats to the relic (and possibly other gear).
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  4. #114
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    Did you play FFXI? Ask the Puppetmasters how much end game time they got sticking to their job. Jobs were excluded from end game content and still is today in that game. Very balanced. Certain traits on gear made it BiS for years and made 95% of choices on other gear not an option.
    Yes I do, I played it several years and reactivated my account less than a month ago.

    You have to understand that with a game with so many choices there will always be a flavor of the month class or whatever at any given time (once, in FFXI, it has been rangers, BLM, NIN, BST, etc). In the current FFXIV there isn't any flavor.

    Also, for the record, I know some very happy PUP in FFXI. It is simply not an endgame group job because more powerful options are available, more suited for group play (like SMN and BST, and I know something about that as I mained SMN). PuP was made with soloing in mind. No, there were indeed underpowered classes (like a lot of the original melee classes, which didn't bring anything once the more advanced jobs were implemented) but that was kinda ok. You just had to accept that not every class was suited to do every piece of content (which is kinda ok).

    You have to remember that when they have to go through a longer process in terms of gear adjusting/balancing, and constantly having to rework traits and job balancing to meet the criteria of being balanced, they delay the patch further, ultimately having us suffer in the process.
    Yeah right, like they delayed 3.15 to add more cont... oh wait.
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  5. #115
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
    In the current FFXIV there isn't any flavor.
    Warrior?
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  6. #116
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    Funny thing is they have acknowledged the system and expressed interest in bringing it in. They said once they can find a way to make it work, they would. If it was as simple as that I think it would of been brought in a long time ago, as early as 2.0 even. Likely if they do, it won't be much like people are expecting. That is usually how SE rolls with things.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
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    I think the quest team and item team are not exactly the same group. I think item team's handle in it was waiting to see how fast people were obtaining ilvl210 gear and balancing off that. How did the relic quest turn out? Poorly. Its not to say they didn't work hard on it (sorry really stretching that statement out), but I think the FFXIV team overall lacks the man power to bring interesting content and unique ways to give us something we already have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
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    Did Patch 3.15 get delayed?
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  7. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    This is not relevant to the topic.

    Topic: Add interesting/unique stats to the relic (and possibly other gear).
    The relic is BiS for some jobs, to some people it's worth the process to get to that. For others, it's not worth it to slam their heads into it. (espesiaclly MCH and maybe DRG). Me personally? I'm so disappointed that a content could be delayed so long but only end up using existing and even old 2.x content. It's the final straw for a lot of people, and the already-low expectations I already had with the content patches continues to dwindle even more. I'm ready to take a (indefinite) break from the game if my raiding static wasn't still together.

    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I think the quest team and item team are not exactly the same group. I think item team's handle in it was waiting to see how fast people were obtaining ilvl210 gear and balancing off that. How did the relic quest turn out? Poorly. Its not to say they didn't work hard on it (sorry really stretching that statement out), but I think the FFXIV team overall lacks the man power to bring interesting content and unique ways to give us something we already have.
    Then they either have an entirely backwards thinking, or they need honestly stop sitting behind that excuse. There's absolutely no reason for a piece of content to be delayed and still come out the way it is. Not to mention there was a slide in a Liveletter a long while back where they'd acutally rotate people for designing content, or something along that line. Regardless of who it was, the problem is reoccuring with each and every patch, and it's notorious bad for 3.15's anima quest which was delayed since 3.0 because it wasn't ready (and it does not have the design to show that long of a development time). Even in regards to relic I wasn't expecting something over the top as new encounters and such, but rather for them to stop making 2.x content relevant to 3.x's progression. I'm fine with going back to eastern thanalan to rescue an important NPC from halatali. I'm not fine with going back for 2.x hunts (which for some reason ,rewards more than 3.0 hunts toward the anima quests) or 2.x beast tribes to work on 3.x content.

    A principle that takes effect in customer service is that people will wait for good product.. At this point I feel that SE can't afford to pump out subpar or bad content because all it'll do is lower expectations and patience (if you really need to delay something to perfect it down the road), but they've already accomplished that in most people's eyes as early as 3.07

    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    Did Patch 3.15 get delayed?

    The anima quest (which is the majority, if not entirety of 3.15) was delayed from 3.0 to 3.1 to 3.15. And to be fair, the mid series patches are only really there to add in things like balancing changes, QoL adjustments, or otherwise act as the "second half" of a content patch. Like I mentioned before, SE has set themselves standards in 2.x cycles that they themselves are not meeting now. You can quite honestly look at the patch notes for 3.15 and realize that it's mostly padding because of crafting items and quest objectives from something that should have been in for the release of 3.0, compared to say 2.35 or 2.55
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  9. #118
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    The relic is BiS for some jobs, to some people it's worth the process to get to that. For others, it's not worth it to slam their heads into it. (espesiaclly MCH and maybe DRG). Me personally? I'm so disappointed that a content could be delayed so long but only end up using existing and even old 2.x content. It's the final straw for a lot of people, and the already-low expectations I already had with the content patches continues to dwindle even more. I'm ready to take a (indefinite) break from the game if my raiding static wasn't still together.
    The issue is BiS means very little. As I mentioned, for my job as a SMN the difference between a Relic (Worst in Stat 210) and A4S (Best in Stat 210) weapon is 2.5 int. Where the Relic stats are effectively = 1348.188 INT and the A4S stats are effectively 1350.839. To elaborate, that means the A4S weapon is 0.19% more INT, and when all of your other gear adds up to ~1000+ INT, it's the difference of a 0.11% increase. If I did 1500 DPS (which is more than I do, put maybe with a 210 instead of 200 weap) then that would be a difference of 1.5 DPS. The variation of DPS is greater from things such as latency than from the gear set.


    Yes, the difference is slightly larger for NIN, but not that much larger.
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  10. #119
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    Did Patch 3.15 get delayed?
    Yeah because 3.1 was delayed (was supposed to be released in september).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I think the FFXIV team overall lacks the man power to bring interesting content and unique ways to give us something we already have.
    The skeleton crew on 1.0 created a relic quest that was a hundred times better than the one we just got, even considering the crappy Hamlet grind. They added *eight* fights just for the relics and better utilized the existing content. The quest we got is an embarrassment, and if they lack the manpower to balance "grants a chance to restore MP on attack" then I think someone high up at SE is actively trying to kill the game.
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