Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Aquaslash]

. Eventually they will give up on it and tick "activate party parser" and before long df will be the same it has always been+parser enabled.

Or they can just get better? I don't see why we have to let bad players stay bad. Contrary to what all the tryhards in PF that want to set up farm parties a week after content gets released *coughcoughcactuarcoughcough* would have you believe, there ARE sherpas out there who are ready willing and able to help unskilled yet willing and eager players out there. It just takes marginal effort to find them

[Ryel]

The counter argument for this, in that scenario where the DPS refuse to put up their numbers, their refusal will exacerbate the situation by the fact 3rd party recording of DPS is actually inaccurate as things like DoT ticks or DoT crits are estimated. Therefore, their numbers are likely to be underestimated and thus the party leader will have to make a judgement on inaccurate data from his own program. The official parser will be expected to be both precise and accurate because it has access to various damage functions which 3rd party ones will never be able to, even with RAM scanning. For example, just recently as 10-11th of November, an error in the way a common parser records DoTs completely messed up the DRG leaderboards because the DoT ticks were overestimated, leading to highly padded and inaccurate figures.

And also in that scenario where the DPS check is failed and the DPS do nothing for fear of harassment, that is a poor excuse for owning up to your mistakes. Healers and Tanks have to deal with this constant judgement already, only because their performance is immediately obvious, DPS should not be exempt from this.

I agree hence why i was saying a private parser doesn't really work as a halfway measure for those seeking to curb harassment yet still see their numbers.

I take it the question of why tanks and healers should be the only ones with responsibilities and dps players should get a free carry just for playing a dps job has still not been answered by the anti-parser crowd?

Nah that one never gets a direct answer, I've even brought it up myself half a dozen times in the other threads.

Tanks and Healers are expected to perform their main roles without fail to the various whims of whatever parties they join, while also trying to make up any additional DPS the party is lacking, but yet we aren't allowed to expect DPS to perform their own roles in the party even though the majority of endgame content is designed around DPS players pulling their weight.

Why do people always think that people who are not pro parsers are always bad players? What the heck is this?

The logic usually follows that players who are performing well either wouldn't care about being parsed or would want to see their numbers for improvement.

This isn't always the case obviously and there are plenty of good players I've known who don't really want parsers to be added as a game feature, that being said however they also aren't against their addition nor would they really care if someone wanted to parse them.

So personally i don't think anyone not pro parser is a bad player, just like not everyone who is pro parser is a good player.

The ones that are though are more likely to improve.

[RemenantStrife]

Why do people always think that people who are not pro parsers are always bad players? What the heck is this?

why would you not want a parser in the game if you know you aren't bad? a parser would help you to further improve in certain fights, check the difference in your performance based on different pieces of gear and also for the runs where you aren't getting everything right show you how much of an impact it is having, show you the difference between using potions and not using them, different foods and so on its full of potential to help you improve. Meanwhile the only reason some people don't want a parser is they are afraid that they might be terrible, they will disagree on that point but at the same time their deep down fear is that they will put out such terrible numbers that they will be removed from every group they join.

[Misutoraru]

The only real "hard" content are current PF only
If ppl really so obsessed with the tool
We could have so kind of measurement in PF
Leave DF as it is now
Most importantly set the clear definition about harrassment and actually give out punishment about it
For ppl will be happy they finally see no. In "hard" content
Against ppl can make Party without no. If they want that content
And causal community stay with DF content

[meldon90]

You have a solution already, thats simple:
You DPS as hard as you can, if you cant steal aggro from the tank YOU DPS MOAR until he flames and kick you.
That's how you know you're doing good DPS.

[Gardes]

You have a solution already, thats simple:
You DPS as hard as you can, if you cant steal aggro from the tank YOU DPS MOAR until he flames and kick you.
That's how you know you're doing good DPS.

Heavy Swing,
Heavy Swing,
Heavy Swing,
Heavy Swing,
Heavy Swing,
Heavy Swing,
Heavy Swing,
You getting the hint yet?
Heavy Swing,
Heavy Swing,
Heavy Swing,
Heavy Swing,
I am gud tank.

[Waliel]

Parsers are really bad. They were originally created by the CIA for mind control. They have a direct link to the JFK assassination and every other major assassination attempt in the 20th century.

I can confirm this. My cousin's friend's uncle's cat used a parser and killed many a bird.

[Kaurie]

First, you're a prime example of why the anti-parsing argument is immature and naive. If you nearly resorted to transferring servers because a few people harassed you over being a new tank, that's a serious problem. Not everyone is going to have only nice things to say. In fact, not everyone SHOULD have only nice things to say. You can't merely run away from every less-than-flowery thing someone says on the internet. The true solution, the one that would solve the whole situation, is that people need to grow up. So what if people are asshats? At the end of the day is it really going to harm you? Brush it off and move on like an adult. Everyone else has to do it. Its an unavoidable fact of life that people are horrible - each and every one of them. Just deal with it like we all have to.

I disagree, people are not inherently bad. Some people are just driven to do bad things, often due to their environment. This may be being raised with poor parenting, in a dangerous neighbourhood or being bullied. In a video game, research has shown that the most common thing to cause anger is frustration. In this context, I can see frustration from many things, such as:
1. You've been grinding the same instance over and over and over for a drop, and someone is slowing you down
2. You only can log on for a short while and want to maximize what you can do, but someone is slowing you down
3. You've worked really hard to improve your DPS, meanwhile that guy over there is just pressing 1
etc.

I agree with you, that we all run into people who don't treat us with respect once in awhile, and that we have to shrug it off to some extent (report it, if it's that bad). I know that I've once felt like quitting and shed a tear due to someone's words via this game, but I didn't and I did move on.

The only real "hard" content are current PF only
If ppl really so obsessed with the tool
We could have so kind of measurement in PF
Leave DF as it is now
Most importantly set the clear definition about harrassment and actually give out punishment about it
For ppl will be happy they finally see no. In "hard" content
Against ppl can make Party without no. If they want that content
And causal community stay with DF content

This suggests that someone would only want to improve themselves while doing hard content. This also suggests that "hard" content is the same thing for everyone, which it clearly isn't.

No, it is not a norm in PC MMO, only about 40% of my PC MMO have it so commonly use in general public

Where do you get this number?
EDIT: sorry you said on your specific computer, I'm guessing you then have 5 MMO's installed with 2 having a parser? I am doubtful that you have every MMO installed and have an accurate number for all MMO's?



Not having a parser makes me think of playing a sports game without stats. You don't see the goals, hits, assists, points, shots etc.. all you know is at the end of the game you've either won or lost. Sure, it's doable and you could even try tracking that stuff yourself, but no sports game does this.

[MeiUshu]

Parsers without proper knowledge on how to interprete them are just useless, and most people if not all dont know how to interprete what they read, they only see numbers and judge based on those numbers and not put them into context, healer not DPSing...why?...tank not dpsing why?...BRD poorly performing why ? BLM poorly performing why ?....you never see that asked or so rarely that it is just in the unheard Spectrum. The important isnt to say *get good* is to understand WHY things are happening, to be honest you all want perfect player but instead of trying ot help them, you all stigmatize them and as a result you all are complaining that people are not good or people dont help otehrs to get better. Maybe the solution is not in the parser that will just increase and give a reason official this time to frustrate even more new players or poorly geared players or what not but in everyone of us to help ohters to become better, not only friends....you know like a community would work for the good of the community..eh?

Not to mention teh stronger helping the weaker..that too exists..you know

[Kaurie]

Parsers without proper knowledge on how to interprete them are just useless, and most people if not all dont know how to interprete what they read, they only see numbers and judge based on those numbers and not put them into context, healer not DPSing...why?...tank not dpsing why?...BRD poorly performing why ? BLM poorly performing why ?....you never see that asked or sorarely that it is just in the unheard Spectrum.

Some people not being able to understand information is not really a great reason to withhold the information from everyone. Imagine that happened with the news, "Today, we are removing all of our headlines, as we've discovered a portion of our reader-base does not properly understand the current events."

The important isnt to say *get good* is to understand WHY things are happening, to be honest you all want perfect player but instead of trying ot help them, you all stigmatize them and as a result you all are complaining that people are not good or people dont help otehrs to get better. Maybe the solution is not in the parser that will just increase and give a reason official this time to frustrate even more new players or poorly geared players or what not but in everyone of us to help ohters to become better, not only friends....you know like a community would work for the good of the community..eh?

Why are you prejudging our actions and words. I have many times helped out other people. However, with a parser it would be easier.. for example:

Situation 1:
Me: Hey, SMN, btw you should be using Ruin II and auto attack, spamming painflare/fester/raging/fester/deathflare/aether/tri-disaster/fester (I am simplifying atm) to maximize your DPS.
SMN: Shut the f*** up, you play your job, I'll play mine.
Me: Actually, I am a SMN.
SMN: (silent for rest of the dungeon).

Situation 2:
Me: Hey, SMN, your DPS is a little low (he'll look over and see he is doing 600, while I am doing 1100), by (same as above)
SMN: Ah, OK, thanks


Obviously, I embellished, the first person doesn't need to respond that way and the 2nd person could be a jerk. However, the main point is having that value adds credibility to your advice.