Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[RickXRolled]

Why do people always think that people who are not pro parsers are always bad players? What the heck is this?

Observations

To clarify: I observe and analyze information based on my own experiences and stories from both sides of a camp. Then I look at that information from multiple perspectives and conclude what is true.
* My autistic tendencies are to do that daily with political/religous/world problems and in this case people's performance.*

[Critical-Limit]

bad argument about anxiety

I don't care if you have anxiety problems outside of your control. Your standards would erase all competitive people vs people environments. It sounds like YOU need to avoid games that give you anxiety and fear, not make all games anxiety and fear free. People have anxiety from starcrafts fog of war. Not knowing what someone is doing can give you anxiety. But the people who love fog of war shouldn't be punished for the few people who can't handle it.

Your argument is like someone crying that football requires you to run. Well I have a muscle deteriating disease where I lost my legs. So I demand that football have rules in place that make everyone crawl to the Inzone. A few people having no legs shouldn't make the whole world crawl/use a wheel chair. Just like people with fear and anxiety shouldn't make everyone else live in a free of criticism world.

[Taika]

Why do people always think that people who are not pro parsers are always bad players? What the heck is this?

Majority of really good players participate in hardest content (currently Savage and Thordan), and I don't know if there are any groups doing that content where no one parses (I really would be curious to know if there are any endgame statics where no one parses). Hence most really good players are at least parsed by others in their group even if they don't personally run a parser.

Of course you can be a good player who doesn't do any endgame content, but one might argue that to be a good player you have to at least follow a good rotation, which is again based on someone's parse.

Knowledge is power, it's really hard to be good if you have no actual knowledge on how you're really doing.

[randysquirrel]

All that would accomplish is all the good players ticking "activate party parser" and the lazy/bad players don't. Thus causing a larger rift between the two. Meanwhile the good players can expect smooth runs while the "I play how I want" crowds get placed in FF14's equivalent of ELO hell, which in turn causes more toxic behaviour then a public parser ever would. Eventually they will give up on it and tick "activate party parser" and before long df will be the same it has always been+parser enabled.

I completely agree, this is what I think would happen. and I welcome it. Clearly the subject of parsers is very divisive. So why not enable this, then those that don't want to be measured by a parse can run around doing their content with like minded people, and those of us that do want a parser can do the same. In fact this is exactly what I want.

I actually do think there is a place for the "I Play how I want" people. and that place is with like minded people, they can all stick together without fear of reprisal.

[Critical-Limit]

good reply

Just want to add that people who don't use parser that can do huge DPS numbers, more than likely followed some rotational guide, which was probably founded and deemed best rotation by a person who parses.

[CookieMonsta]

The majority of what i would have said in response to your initial post has mostly been covered by Zosia's response here, but to what wasn't I'd like to elaborate a bit on myself.


If this game had a built in (personal) parser, I would enjoy gearing up even more.

The counter argument for this, in that scenario where the DPS refuse to put up their numbers, their refusal will exacerbate the situation by the fact 3rd party recording of DPS is actually inaccurate as things like DoT ticks or DoT crits are estimated. Therefore, their numbers are likely to be underestimated and thus the party leader will have to make a judgement on inaccurate data from his own program. The official parser will be expected to be both precise and accurate because it has access to various damage functions which 3rd party ones will never be able to, even with RAM scanning. For example, just recently as 10-11th of November, an error in the way a common parser records DoTs completely messed up the DRG leaderboards because the DoT ticks were overestimated, leading to highly padded and inaccurate figures.

And also in that scenario where the DPS check is failed and the DPS do nothing for fear of harassment, that is a poor excuse for owning up to your mistakes. Healers and Tanks have to deal with this constant judgement already, only because their performance is immediately obvious, DPS should not be exempt from this.

[Aquaslash]

Why do people always think that people who are not pro parsers are always bad players? What the heck is this?

Because nobody who knows for a fact that they do ridiculous DPS is against knowing that they in fact do ridiculous DPS.

[Laladyn]

I think the game needs an ingame parser and scoreboards with DPS,HPS death ect after Wipes and Duty, prefferably after every boss

The game does a poor job at teaching people how to play a job as its meant to be played, and does not give any feedback to the player at all.

At 60 jobs are kinda complex and not very intuitive to learn.
If you dont get feedback on how you perform you are at disadvantage, you cant improve and you dont get fun out of improving.

Not having an ingame parser, and scorbeards after a wiped/ duty completed has hurted the community allready and first created alot of the toxic/elitism behavior.

The argument, people would get harrased if the numbers would be shown to everyone, is a stupid one.
Because simple,an in game parser/scorecard would benefit the game, the community, casual and endgame groups and every single player ALOT more then it would hurt some in some instances.

[Fourbestintoner]

All that would accomplish is all the good players ticking "activate party parser" and the lazy/bad players don't. Thus causing a larger rift between the two. Meanwhile the good players can expect smooth runs while the "I play how I want" crowds get placed in FF14's equivalent of ELO hell, which in turn causes more toxic behaviour then a public parser ever would. Eventually they will give up on it and tick "activate party parser" and before long df will be the same it has always been+parser enabled.

And? I should have no obligation to carry them, see if they like their 70 minutes dungeon or trial wipes with like minded people.
Bad players can mean a lot of things, but the bad that want to improve will turn it on.

[Elazu]

I take it the question of why tanks and healers should be the only ones with responsibilities and dps players should get a free carry just for playing a dps job has still not been answered by the anti-parser crowd?