To all the people complaining about DPSing in an off role

[Reinha]

We need midcore dungeons, don't say those don't work because Pharos. Pharos did not work because it was put in the same roulette as easy dungeons, we need a new roulette for harder dungeons or just don't put them in DF, let them be only in PF.

Harder dungeons would indeed be lovely, especially because midcore players tend to be less organized than raiders and thus may not have an 8 man static to run things with. The daily eso roulette could be the level 60 one, and the 2 new ones in a patch could be harder and offer unique gear or vanity. They would be nerfed by gear progress by the time they get demoted to the level 60 roulette.

The game flat out allows healers to just heal, DPS to just DPS and tanks to just tank. The few pieces of content which make this difficult are at the absolute top-tier, and have even then been made largely redundant thanks to the introduction of Diadem.

On the other hand, any content but the top-tier stuff allows healers and tanks to dps very easily and very often once they are used to the encounters. In savage (and perhaps extremes) the extra dps is somewhat required, but elsewhere it's trivial to do. I think the question shouldn't be "Can I get away with not adding dps?", but rather "How can I help my party even more?". It's comparable to dps players not using their defensive skills, raise, Virus, mp/tp buffs or E4E with the excuses that those skills are not needed in non-top-tier content or that they are not directly related to their main role. Everyone has their own play style, but I think the ones that are more efficient and make the team stronger should be encouraged.

In the end the efficiency of a play style comes down to how the game is designed. Trinity in this game is not very strict, as evidenced by the fact that every role is able to put out enough damage and survive long enough when soloing. Having stricter class roles, perhaps with the addition of the fourth role of support, would make the leveling experience very different but would also force classes to focus on their own strengths to make the party stronger. Dps players and healers would be squishy, tanks couldn't self heal or do much dps, and healers would only be able to heal. This is not the case in FFXIV, in fact it's quite the opposite. DRG and SMN can tank situationally, healer dps is insanely good and tanks can push both healing and dps. Cross class abilities are a thing and mandatory for end game. These facts make me believe that hybrid play is is intended by design.

[SulwynCaliope]

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The problem is that healers are now being expected to DPS more than they are comfortable doing. Virus, E4E and raise are one time actions that don't really force DPS out of their roles very much. Especially since raise can be swift casted. A quick button press and they go back to their main role. Healers, on the other hand, are being expected to DPS for extended periods of time.

[Seoulstar]

Don't be a Sylphie.

But seriously, if find yourself with full MP and you haven't cast an action in 10-15 seconds, you're wasting the time of everyone around you. If you want a power nap, go farm unsynced nodes as a gatherer.

I seriously can not stand when people use that phrase. It seems to be the motto of the FFXIV forums. "Don't waste my time". DPSing as a healer is not a requirement. I fail to understand why exactly is it such a bad thing to let people play the game as they wish. If they're keeping you alive, you should be happy about that. Because I'm 100% sure if the party was dying, it would take A LOT longer than if the healer wasn't dpsing.

[Ultima]

Ignorance

Because why the hell are you allowed to stand around for 10-15 seconds before pressing Cure again? You're like the kid who thinks it's okay to pass school with all Cs, yes you can do that but you won't be liked or given a good job. Sure this is a video game, but we pay monthly and we'd like everyone to be trying their hardest. Trying your hardest in a video game can help bleed over into real life, you should always be striving to do your best.

And instead of pretending that your party will immediately die if you enter Cleric Stance you could probably try to do more than the bare minimum. Do you know why people don't like healers who don't DPS? Because It's brainless there is no skill involved in this game and it's not going to change until at least 4.0, deal with it or get out.

Adding this in: And if your party is dying in EXR, you need to take a damn hard look in the mirror and realize the problem is behind the keyboard, not the community.

[Kuwagami]

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blame the game, not the player.

The game shouldn't allow people to stay afk for 10-15 seconds. The fact that it does just shows how flawed it is.

[Ultima]

blame the game, not the player.

The game shouldn't allow people to stay afk for 10-15 seconds. The fact that it does just shows how flawed it is.

I know, that's why I'm unsubscribing and going to Blade and Soul where there are no roles to hide behind and everyone must constantly be aware and move to survive while pulling their own weight, not rely on others and press one button every 10-15 seconds under the guise of "Healing"



No more listening to people whine for nerfs or for their Heal/Tank fantasy, just people striving to get better or staying quiet and not trying to hinder the game with their Netflix Addiction. This thread and others has been very enlightening to know that the majority of the community doesn't want the game to get better or include midcore content, they want to play make-believe that they're a pacifistic healer or a walking fortress of defense. What people don't realize is, to survive in this market, you need to do more than play it safe. Yoshida even said that, but he seems to not have the BUDGET to do it, I guess FF 15 needs more photo-realistic rocks.

[SulwynCaliope]

blame the game, not the player.

The game shouldn't allow people to stay afk for 10-15 seconds. The fact that it does just shows how flawed it is.

^^ This so much. The fact that we have nothing to do between heals is indicative that SE didn't give healers enough tools to play around with to make us efficient at supporting the party. Right now our only options are either to heal or to DPS. We should have tools where we can either buff the party or debuff enemies during the downtime.

[CGMidlander]

I seriously can not stand when people use that phrase. It seems to be the motto of the FFXIV forums. "Don't waste my time". DPSing as a healer is not a requirement. I fail to understand why exactly is it such a bad thing to let people play the game as they wish. If they're keeping you alive, you should be happy about that. Because I'm 100% sure if the party was dying, it would take A LOT longer than if the healer wasn't dpsing.

It's a bad thing to encourage lazy play.
Nobody cares how a person plays in solo content, but in party play it's selfish to not put any effort.

[Seoulstar]

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As someone else said. Blame the game, it's not the players fault. I will say this, I DPS when I want to and when I'm comfortable with doing so. I will not DPS if I am commanded. I am not playing this game to be commanded by some total stranger. I will always strive to do my best, but I'll be damned before I let some random person control me because i'm not playing the game how they want me to play it.

Anyways, be careful of who you call the problem. I'm not the one who's trying to force people to play a role they have no interest in.

As to the other person, you can call it lazy if you want. But don't you think it's selfish if your'e forcing them to do something they don't like? When in reality, you should just be happy they are doing the role they're meant to be doing.

[Seoulstar]

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Did you even read what I wrote? Clearly not because I said I DPS as a healer. Anyways, you know. Have fun, I'm not going to bother talking to someone who reads only what they want to read, think they're right and have the nerve to call someone else ignorant and the problem. You may want to take a look at yourself before you go around telling others to do such a thing. lol