To all the people complaining about DPSing in an off role

[SargentToughie]

doot doot

That's not true at all.

This game has practically zero solo content, and I could very well just turn the tables on you and mention that if you wanted to do solo content, you could just switch to a class capable of dealing damage. FF14 is one of THE ONLY games in my mind that's able to get away with a class that has zero offensive skills... And they actually got pretty close to that with AST. Also, SE has had a nearly impossible time balancing out SCH/SMN when both of those came out off of the same class in 2.0. As such, I don't think we're ever going to see multiple jobs coming off of the same class ever again.

I'll repeat myself, they wouldn't focus several slots, a MAJORITY of slots in WHM and WAR's case, to damage skills unless they intended for those skills to be used at the highest level. Saying that it's intended for the already trivial solo play in this game is scoffable at best. What is there to solo in this game?

[Moonleg]

This game has practically zero solo content

Leveling says hi. Daily quests say hi. Quests in general say hi! All of Gold Saucer says hi.

[SargentToughie]

Leveling says hi. Daily quests say hi. Quests in general say hi! All of Gold Saucer says hi.

... The gold saucer?

Anyway, that doesn't change the fact that the entire endgame of FF14 is group content. Wanna get your relic? Queue in the Duty Finder for Ifrit. Wanna get better gear? Queue in Duty finder for -RAID HERE-. Wanna experience the hardest series of fights in the entire game? Get with a static and queue for Savage. The game, and all of the skills in it, are balanced around full parties. Otherwise AST wouldn't have the ability to switch sects so that it could pretend to be either a WHM or a SCH

If it was just for questing and dailies, stone 1 would be just fine. Even leveling is done mostly through 4 man dungeons.

[Kosmos992k]

... The gold saucer?

Anyway, that doesn't change the fact that the entire endgame of FF14 is group content.

The problem with your argument is the idea that end-game actually represents a significant majority of players. Personally, I don't believe this is the case. You asked about solo content, were given an answer and promptly dismissed it.

[Astral145]

That's not true at all.

This game has practically zero solo content, and I could very well just turn the tables on you and mention that if you wanted to do solo content, you could just switch to a class capable of dealing damage. FF14 is one of THE ONLY games in my mind that's able to get away with a class that has zero offensive skills... And they actually got pretty close to that with AST. Also, SE has had a nearly impossible time balancing out SCH/SMN when both of those came out off of the same class in 2.0. As such, I don't think we're ever going to see multiple jobs coming off of the same class ever again.

I'll repeat myself, they wouldn't focus several slots, a MAJORITY of slots in WHM and WAR's case, to damage skills unless they intended for those skills to be used at the highest level. Saying that it's intended for the already trivial solo play in this game is scoffable at best. What is there to solo in this game?

LOL so umm doing story and job quests are not solo based? Dang I guess I was asleep at the wheel while leveling all jobs to 50 and 8 battle jobs to 60... BTW Leve's and most Fates can be soloed and usually are.

[Shug]

[QUOTE=SargentToughie;3443276]That's not true at all.

This game has practically zero solo content.


What game are you playing? Most of the game is solo. Quests, leves, fates, leveling, far out number the group content.

[Ultima]

I love how rather than actually read the OP and start actual discussion or anything remotely relevant to the topic at hand, several people have opted to instead play semantics and proclaim the MAJORITY of an MMORPG is Solo content. Let me tell you, kiddos. The majority of FFXIV is group content. Trials/Dungeons/Guildhests/FATEs/Raids/PVP, all that. You know the stuff you actually do in this game? If you're going to keep playing semantics with the paper thin solo content in this game, be my guest. It just shows you're not reading the OP.

You keep talking like the OP is speaking of forcing people to DPS as a Tank or Healer, he's not. He's talking about Tanks and Healers who are great at their job are able to DPS in their downtime or indeed DPS full-time without hurting their team as a sign of Mastery of the job.

[Shug]

I love how rather than actually read the OP and start actual discussion or anything remotely relevant to the topic at hand, several people have opted to instead play semantics and proclaim the MAJORITY of an MMORPG is Solo content. Let me tell you, kiddos. The majority of FFXIV is group content. Trials/Dungeons/Guildhests/FATEs/Raids/PVP, all that. You know the stuff you actually do in this game? If you're going to keep playing semantics with the paper thin solo content in this game, be my guest. It just shows you're not reading the OP.

You keep talking like the OP is speaking of forcing people to DPS as a Tank or Healer, he's not. He's talking about Tanks and Healers who are great at their job are able to DPS in their downtime or indeed DPS full-time without hurting their team as a sign of Mastery of the job.

Dude, did you read any of the thread? He wants people to stop complaining because they don't want to play the way he wants them to.

[Ultima]

Dude, did you read any of the thread? He wants people to stop complaining because they don't want to play the way he wants them to.

He politely said "please" and tried to say why maybe the people complaining about DPSing are wrong. You don't have to agree with him, but you have to at least understand what he's saying and then offer an actual counterpoint instead of spouting off "Solo Content" and the raid mentality. Square Enix caused this situation, yelling in the wind because someone likes the DPS meta isn't going to fix a thing. We can behave like adults and have a civil discussion.

Alternatively, if people don't like how the game plays, they can quit?

[Lemuria]

He politely said "please" and tried to say why maybe the people complaining about DPSing are wrong.

Adding please to your argument, doesn't automatically make it a valid one.

Alternatively, if people don't like how the game plays, they can quit?

Firstly, that's kind of cute coming from someone who, in this very thread, said they were planning to quit soon. Secondly, this is not how the game plays. The game flat out allows healers to just heal, DPS to just DPS and tanks to just tank. The few pieces of content which make this difficult are at the absolute top-tier, and have even then been made largely redundant thanks to the introduction of Diadem.

So I say, let people play however they want without throwing down the hammer of judgement. If someone plays poorly, people will avoid them. If they can at least do their job, I doubt anyone will notice, or care. If they're exceptional, they'll be recognized. Doesn't matter if you're a DPS, a tank or a healer as long as the team works.