God this is the classic expecting speed runs in DF all over again. If you stood up for people who demanded speed runs in DF, you were called an elitest jerk; if you stood up for people who were new/undergeared/didn't want to speed run, you supported selfishness and someone who doesn't care about the rest of the party. Whichever way you feel about it makes you wrong and vehemently flamed by the other side.

Honestly, this is just crying showing that players need to have their hands held for everything. It's completely turning me off from running what has the potential to be fun. But just like with the speed run conversations, I'll never understand people who queue into DF and then feel entitled to harass random players for not following and agreeing with them. It's the attitude that's the problem, always has been with some players.