Diadem Leeches

[Noxifer]

I have switched to premades, however I set loot rule normal. WE ALL AGREED to greed anything below i180, but for i210 drops main class can loot need. One person began needing all the healer drops i180 downwards, well at least my blacklist got a something ^^

This is what we do too, though we have the added clause of "unless it is an actual upgrade for your current job" to the i180 or less. (Ran as my secondary role of scholar today, and while I'm a high enough ilvl to enter, I still have one or two i170 pieces, plus one stupid i160 bracelet ^^; )

I think the credit needs to be based off of party damage + individual damage. Meaning you have to hit the enemy at least once or twice to get full credit. Otherwise if that is not possible shorten the credit range to 300 or less yalms. That would shorten the range enough for leechers to not have access to each and every drop. Right now I think the range is about 750 yalms or more to get credit.

I... don't see why they couldn't have done it the way they do for hunt marks. If you're a healer, for example, you still need to remember to hit the hunt mark at least once, or it doesn't matter how much you heal people; you'll still get nothing.

Of course, hunt seals/tomestones are quite different from treasure coffers, so I understand it wouldn't have been as easy as it might seem at first glance. But surely it would have solved the whole 'run off and do MY thing, but still roll on YOUR loot' thing.

[Katlyna]

We're seeing some problems with item arguing and members in the party who suddenly throw sh#t fits unexpectedly. I think the only thing needed is the ability to vote kick someone. That really shouldn't have been removed.

[Luvbunny]

Or they can remove the penalty if you are being kicked off? Or maybe give that person 5-10 minutes cool down before able to re-enter? Leeches are a big problem for Diadem, SE should really split into two type of expeditions. Perhaps by making certain islands for gatherers, but in order for them to be able to do it, they have to clear the entire mob in the island, then they are good to gather for 20 minutes then back to clearing the mobs again. Otherwise the nodes won't reappear. This way people have options and can choose which type of expedition they want to do.

[ThirdSeason]

There is a reason the vote-kick option is disabled. This content was not intended for solo/partial queuing. It was tacked on to appease the soloers. The Diadem was meant for FCs/premades where goals are to be established before embarking and communication and co-ooperation is to be expected.

The vote-kick option is disabled because it would be abused to kick gatherers and people who don't agree on loot distribution. Solo/partial queuing shouldn't exist, as it just doesn't work for this type of content. For the time being, just act like it doesn't. Just make a full party on PF or find some friends to go in using someone's FC airship, so you don't need to meet the full party requirements the Ishgardian entry. Enabling vote-kicking would just cause more problems. The best solution would be to just require entry as a full party in Ishgard or any composition using a FC ship, while getting rid of allowing random groups to be formed from queuing.

[Lament]

Solution for loot leeching is easy.

Combat chests should contain loot only those who participated can roll on.

Gatherer chest loot should go to the person who found it.

It's unfair for gatherers to be able to loot items they didn't help with getting, and for items from gatherer chests to go to people who didn't do anything to get them either.

It's really that simple. Why it's not done that way is baffling to me.

[Colorful]

Solution for loot leeching is easy.

Combat chests should contain loot only those who participated can roll on.

Gatherer chest loot should go to the person who found it.

It's unfair for gatherers to be able to loot items they didn't help with getting, and for items from gatherer chests to go to people who didn't do anything to get them either.

It's really that simple. Why it's not done that way is baffling to me.

Because they'd have to create a system so the chest knows who participated and that actually takes development time so they didn't do it, but wait, they'll implement it with 3.15/3.2! It always plays out like that, they release something with blatant faults but ship it because it's "good enough" and then fix it down the line.

[Bhuni]

Putting Diadem in the DF without these measures in place is utterly baffling. I mean we already have a vote dismiss function, what numb nut thought it was a good idea to disable it in Diadem? As opposed to everything else in the game that does, even PVP!

I do not mind folk doing abit of gathering but when you've got people that just fish the entire duration of Diadem after unlocking currents and get the majority of the drops throughout the whole instance. For them only to contribute one lame chest full of a couple of shards. (Which I just experienced)

It's disgusting that folk can get away with it and screw over 7 other players just because they have the 'I pay a sub I can do what the hell I want, stuff everyone else mentality'.

Bad move, will not DF Diadem again which is a damn shame and gives DF an even more worse name than it does already.

[SendohJin]

Putting Diadem in the DF without these measures in place is utterly baffling. I mean we already have a vote dismiss function, what numb nut thought it was a good idea to disable it in Diadem?

all the devs when they decided to put in a 120 minute entry cooldown.

you either have the complaints now or you have complaints of people being vote kicked and locked out for more than an hour with no good reason.

they decided this was the lesser of two evils. you might not agree with it but that doesn't mean they have no reason to do what they did.

[Bhuni]

all the devs when they decided to put in a 120 minute entry cooldown.

you either have the complaints now or you have complaints of people being vote kicked and locked out for more than an hour with no good reason.

they decided this was the lesser of two evils. you might not agree with it but that doesn't mean they have no reason to do what they did.

Or it could just be so you aren't hit with the cooldown if you get kicked you know like how it is already in other instanced content, are we playing the same game? Lol.

The feature is already in-game but they couldn't be bothered to implement it with Diadem and thought a 120 minute cooldown was more important as opposed to all the leeches and grieving that not having this feature opens up to.

[Krieb_Pinkfairy]

I hope they implement the regular duty finder system where we can kick people for afk or not participating. Also, there should be a separate queue for people that only want to gather so they don't screw the entire group. It's a waste of time to do this when even one person goes off gathering.