Diadem Leeches

[ThirdSeason]

There is a reason the vote-kick option is disabled. This content was not intended for solo/partial queuing. It was tacked on to appease the soloers. The Diadem was meant for FCs/premades where goals are to be established before embarking and communication and co-ooperation is to be expected.

The vote-kick option is disabled because it would be abused to kick gatherers and people who don't agree on loot distribution. Solo/partial queuing shouldn't exist, as it just doesn't work for this type of content. For the time being, just act like it doesn't. Just make a full party on PF or find some friends to go in using someone's FC airship, so you don't need to meet the full party requirements the Ishgardian entry. Enabling vote-kicking would just cause more problems. The best solution would be to just require entry as a full party in Ishgard or any composition using a FC ship, while getting rid of allowing random groups to be formed from queuing.

[Lament]

Solution for loot leeching is easy.

Combat chests should contain loot only those who participated can roll on.

Gatherer chest loot should go to the person who found it.

It's unfair for gatherers to be able to loot items they didn't help with getting, and for items from gatherer chests to go to people who didn't do anything to get them either.

It's really that simple. Why it's not done that way is baffling to me.

[Colorful]

Solution for loot leeching is easy.

Combat chests should contain loot only those who participated can roll on.

Gatherer chest loot should go to the person who found it.

It's unfair for gatherers to be able to loot items they didn't help with getting, and for items from gatherer chests to go to people who didn't do anything to get them either.

It's really that simple. Why it's not done that way is baffling to me.

Because they'd have to create a system so the chest knows who participated and that actually takes development time so they didn't do it, but wait, they'll implement it with 3.15/3.2! It always plays out like that, they release something with blatant faults but ship it because it's "good enough" and then fix it down the line.

[Bhuni]

Putting Diadem in the DF without these measures in place is utterly baffling. I mean we already have a vote dismiss function, what numb nut thought it was a good idea to disable it in Diadem? As opposed to everything else in the game that does, even PVP!

I do not mind folk doing abit of gathering but when you've got people that just fish the entire duration of Diadem after unlocking currents and get the majority of the drops throughout the whole instance. For them only to contribute one lame chest full of a couple of shards. (Which I just experienced)

It's disgusting that folk can get away with it and screw over 7 other players just because they have the 'I pay a sub I can do what the hell I want, stuff everyone else mentality'.

Bad move, will not DF Diadem again which is a damn shame and gives DF an even more worse name than it does already.

[Luvbunny]

Or they can remove the penalty if you are being kicked off? Or maybe give that person 5-10 minutes cool down before able to re-enter? Leeches are a big problem for Diadem, SE should really split into two type of expeditions. Perhaps by making certain islands for gatherers, but in order for them to be able to do it, they have to clear the entire mob in the island, then they are good to gather for 20 minutes then back to clearing the mobs again. Otherwise the nodes won't reappear. This way people have options and can choose which type of expedition they want to do.

[Krieb_Pinkfairy]

I hope they implement the regular duty finder system where we can kick people for afk or not participating. Also, there should be a separate queue for people that only want to gather so they don't screw the entire group. It's a waste of time to do this when even one person goes off gathering.

[Culfinrandir]

The only issue with kick = no penalty is that you should only kick someone if they do something wrong, eg 'steal' an i210. Now, after they've got the goodies you're going to reward them by allowing them to get no penalty so they can do it to another group straight away.

It's far more complex than other content once you start to think about it.

[writeraeria]

God this is the classic expecting speed runs in DF all over again. If you stood up for people who demanded speed runs in DF, you were called an elitest jerk; if you stood up for people who were new/undergeared/didn't want to speed run, you supported selfishness and someone who doesn't care about the rest of the party. Whichever way you feel about it makes you wrong and vehemently flamed by the other side.

Honestly, this is just crying showing that players need to have their hands held for everything. It's completely turning me off from running what has the potential to be fun. But just like with the speed run conversations, I'll never understand people who queue into DF and then feel entitled to harass random players for not following and agreeing with them. It's the attitude that's the problem, always has been with some players.

[Tyrial]

God this is the classic expecting speed runs in DF all over again.

Sorry, but this is nothing like speed runs in DF. This is about expecting people to be decent to each other and not be selfish.

It boils down to this:

Help kill and roll on the combat rewards or do your own thing but only roll on stuff you actually contributed for.

There should be a vote kick option with a penalty for being removed and they should be quite strict with the punishment for abusing it said feature. In a 90 minute instance that you can only enter once every 2 hours nobody should have to deal with an ass clown who thinks he's allowed to have his cake and eat it too...DF or not. If you can't understand that (directed at anyone who thinks things are fine) then you need to have your moral compass checked because I think it's a bit out of whack.

[Asmodai]

God this is the classic expecting speed runs in DF all over again.

No it isnt. Let me give you an example. I had a party earlier today where a healer and a dps just let to gather. After awhile of not getting any gold chests because the rest of the dps couldnt muster up enough credit on stars someone left making it impossible to get credit on stars. Why are the combat classes there? To queue up for gatherers?

SE put in a system where you needed to do so much damage to a mob to get loot from it then let gatherers troll people to prevent that from happening.