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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by zandervont View Post
    Gonna bother you for another a4s-related q:
    How's your cd-usage overall?
    we've not gotten to 4th one yet cleanly due to stuff takin place over raids but ye..
    on 2nd leg, do you wait until quarantine for WF-combo?
    do you need to use cds for small dolls (if you are assigned to one)?
    my cd usage is gonna be vastly different, because we'll have different raid dps. so don't follow this 100% or anything; it's just how i did my cds (not necessarily the best way, i don't know either way though) for a4s progression. anyway
    progression cd usage went like

    1st wildfire - everything
    2nd reload/rico/reassemble - on cd. happens around 15% on 1st leg or lower depending on DPS. if quarantined, just use it on the quarantine asap.
    3rd wildfire - delay it. it will come up for the 2nd leg, but do hot shot>lead shot with no buffs or anything, then do a wildfire opener with reload+reassemble+rico+hypercharge once you're about to reapply your 1st leadshot on 2nd leg. this way you avoid quarantine 100%. gambling with wildfire vs quarantine makes things really troublesome. if you get quarantined here, do it out of quarantine asap.

    4th reload/rico/reassemble - pop reload right as the manipulator goes invuln after 2nd leg. you're gonna waste ammo on hotshot/leadshot like this, but it's worth it for the end goal. use clean reassemble+ricochet on the 3rd leg asap
    4th wildfire+5th reload+all buffs- this should all come up after you finish feeding adds to the straf doll. it's safest to do this after carnage (so that you can bfb safely and also don't need to move). this burst is pretty important in 3rd leg. the reason you use reload/rico/reassemble weirdly earlier is so that it lines up for this, while you still get effectively 2 uses of reload/rico/reassemble on 3rd leg when aiming for 1 set of adds

    6th reload/rico/reassemble - on 1st set of 4th leg adds.
    5th wildfire - on 4th leg after your add is fed when you go into hot/lead reapplication. if you pot on opener, dex pot will be up here. if not, ignore this.
    7th reload/rico/reassemble - on 2nd set of 4th leg adds

    6th wildfire+8th reload/rico/reassemble - last phase. pot will be up here if you pop it on 3rd leg iirc

    from there the it deviates a ton, but theres also no breaks/disconnects anymore so you can figure out whats best for you personally at that point

    Quote Originally Posted by CheesyBlasters View Post
    Hi Aiurily, you seem to know a lot about whm's, may I ask what form of regen you would suggest after each doll and whatkind of healing you would expect with that kind of mp assuming no mp regen from a mch, considering this statement "your healers should be able to deal with the mana loss without help from you, though. if not, it's on them,".
    i never said anything about how to play WHM w

    i just said, exactly, "your healers should be able to deal with the mana loss without help from you, though. if not, it's on them, and you playing mana is simply catering to their deficiency."

    my reasoning is just based on experience and observations. i know 3 groups where the healers don't need mana at that point on 3rd leg. i dunno what they're doing gcd by gcd or how they manage their manage with ethers or refreshes; i just know that all of them do it well enough that they don't need mp on the 3rd leg. 4th and final phase is different per group; my own group's healers don't need mana other than 15s HC mana+15s~ normal mana in last phase, for the entire fight. so from my pov, the majority of clearing healers don't need mana at that point, and that's why i said that you should not need mana at that same point.
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    Last edited by Aiurily; 10-20-2015 at 11:40 AM.

  2. #112
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    Jonnycbad's Avatar
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    I hope they make an AF2 set in dungeon gear or something for new jobs. I want a Mustadio set. I tried to glamour it using a yellow dyed tunic and a pair of blue dyed kecks, but it looks awful. Also why can't we get goggles that can /visor so they're on our foreheads instead of over our eyes?
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  3. #113
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    Myon Miya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Also why can't we get goggles that can /visor so they're on our foreheads instead of over our eyes?
    Isn't that what our AF goggles do?
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  4. #114
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    Griffeth White
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myon88 View Post
    Isn't that what our AF goggles do?
    Yes they do.
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  5. #115
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    Aika Kayoi
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    Balmung
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    Archer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by CheesyBlasters View Post
    .
    the thing about the loss of mana in A4S is that it's 100% planned around, losing your entire MP pool sounds terrible at first but when you save your resource skills for them it's really not that bad.
    It also allows you to be really careless about your mana leading UP to wirbelwind casts, since essentially any mana you're still sitting on as it casts is "wasted", so you're free to burn it all away however you'd like.

    for BRD I really only need to play battlevoice MP song at the same time as said above, leg 4 after the 2nd straf because the WHM needs mana for at least 1 res at pentacle.

    Healers are not designed to run out of mana in an efficient group unless the healer themselves is playing incorrectly. There are extraneous situations like deaths and group mistakes that can kill your MP, but that's not on the healer.
    You plan your GCDs and CDs as a healer just like anyone else, TP is a lot more straightforward to (heavy quotes) "manage" but healers aren't really so different.
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    Last edited by aabe; 10-21-2015 at 07:31 PM.

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  7. #116
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    Blufnix Greedalox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Also why can't we get goggles that can /visor so they're on our foreheads instead of over our eyes?
    You can!


    Last post was accidentally posting it with over the eyes xD
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  8. #117
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    Omni-Vocational_Ryan's Avatar
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    Ryan Beck
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Can someone please explain the "normal rotation" to me? My second wildfire nothing lines up. I got skills like reload that come back 20 seconds before the 2nd wildfire do I save them? Or do I pop stuff when it
    Comes up and save for
    3rd wildfire?
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    What do I do? Everything. I do everything.

  9. #118
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    Tarra Netsky
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    Behemoth
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Omni-Vocational_Ryan View Post
    Can someone please explain the "normal rotation" to me? My second wildfire nothing lines up. I got skills like reload that come back 20 seconds before the 2nd wildfire do I save them? Or do I pop stuff when it
    Comes up and save for
    3rd wildfire?
    Everything lines up with 3rd wildfire, 2nd wildfire you'll only have a few skills to pop (mostly small stuff like gauss round, headgraze, blank, hawk's eye and b4b), it'll always be like that.
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  10. #119
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    so i pop things when they come back and just use what i have for 2nd and everything will repeat on 3rd one? got it
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    What do I do? Everything. I do everything.

  11. #120
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    Tarra Netsky
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omni-Vocational_Ryan View Post
    so i pop things when they come back and just use what i have for 2nd and everything will repeat on 3rd one? got it
    The only thing you won't be popping immediately is B4B. Just wait the 10 seconds before HE comes up so you can put them together.
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