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  1. #611
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    Dr Yeol
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    Just curious, what stat weights you're following since MCH stat weights are still unknown/unconfirmed?

    It is known: Accuracy > Critical Hit Rate > Determination > Skill Speed.

    Edit:

    These are stat weights from 3.2

    WD: 13.00
    Dexterity 1.00
    Critical Hit Rate: 0.210
    Determination: 0.174
    Skill Speed: 0.106
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    Last edited by Yeol; 11-30-2016 at 12:57 PM.

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    im still a newly leveled MCH and just got to 60, so there's still a few things i'm not entirely sure on. Mainly being does hypercharge stack? like if 2 MCHs hypercharge a rook, would that be 20% phy.def. down?

    and second: does a hypercharged bishop stack with foe's requiem?
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    Mimiji Miji
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikaeus_The_Lunarch View Post
    im still a newly leveled MCH and just got to 60, so there's still a few things i'm not entirely sure on. Mainly being does hypercharge stack? like if 2 MCHs hypercharge a rook, would that be 20% phy.def. down?

    and second: does a hypercharged bishop stack with foe's requiem?
    I don't think Hypercharge stack with each other, you just get the one.

    I do think it stacks with other debuffs like Foe's and Dancing Edge though...

    /not 100% sure though...
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    No hypercharge doesn't stack if there is another mch in pt.
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    Lacaan Vasiim
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    Whoever said you should aim for front accuracy @690+ is wasting 50-60 crit.

    Ask yourself how often you are raiding where you stand in front of the boss or adds. Then ask yourself how long those periods are and if you can move or if ur planted. Then ask yourself why you don't have 50-60 more crit.

    650-660 acc doesn't mean you instantly miss every attack at the enemy's front. It's like 95%, give or take. Probably a bit higher. So you give up 50-60 crit across the board to have perfect accuracy 10% of any given fight and 50 useless stats the other 90%.
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  6. #616
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    Quote Originally Posted by Id_Slayer View Post
    Whoever said you should aim for front accuracy @690+ is wasting 50-60 crit.

    Ask yourself how often you are raiding where you stand in front of the boss or adds. Then ask yourself how long those periods are and if you can move or if ur planted. Then ask yourself why you don't have 50-60 more crit.

    650-660 acc doesn't mean you instantly miss every attack at the enemy's front. It's like 95%, give or take. Probably a bit higher. So you give up 50-60 crit across the board to have perfect accuracy 10% of any given fight and 50 useless stats the other 90%.
    690+ With or without food?
    Mine is 673 without food and 693 with food.
    Going for this set.
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    Last edited by Yeol; 12-02-2016 at 09:50 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeol View Post
    Going for this set.
    You actually can replace det with +24 accuracy in the weapon if this is indeed a problem.
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  8. #618
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    Geistherz Gungnir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myon88 View Post
    You'll clip the GCD after Lead Shot because you fired it under the influence of rapid fire, and you're trying to weave 2 ogcds behind it. That's not possible without clipping the GCD. Your wildfire is also weaker because you get 6 weaponskills + lead shot into it, vs the 7 weaponskills that the other openers get. The lead shot initial hit is very weak, so it doesn't contribute as much to wildfire.
    Thank you for your answer. I reworked my opener a little bit and I m now able to put 8 weaponskills + hypercharge into my burst-rotation:



    I made also a video about it: Youtube

    What do you think?
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    You'll lose 1 turret attack under Hypercharge by using it before the pull, because you'll waste some of the duration before combat starts, and the buff will fall off and transform your turret back into a normal turret before it gets the 7th shot off. You can try it on a dummy and count the shots for yourself. Because Hypercharge has a 20s duration now, you need to use it after combat has begun to get 7 shots. (3 sec firing interval means ~18 seconds to fire 6 shots, +1 shot you get instantly when you turn Hypercharge on, means 7 shots in ~20seconds. It's tighter than it looks.)

    Clipping GCD after Lead Shot by triple weaving Reload + Rapid Fire + Wildfire. It's not like it's terrible, but it can be avoided.

    And just as a good habit, it's always best to use your buffs from weakest to strongest (bfb/hawk's eye before raging for sure). This way you waste as little duration of the stronger buffs as possible. I mean, would you rather have 18 seconds of raging strikes and 19 seconds of blood for blood, or 19 seconds of raging strikes and 18 seconds of blood for blood? That's pretty much why.


    Something like this is pretty much the standard, and it's been the standard ever since the start of Heavensward. Only thing that changed was the hypercharge position after the duration got changed in 3.2. Hypercharge + Potion will clip GCD after Hot Shot, but this one can't be helped and there's no better location. As a bonus, if you don't use potion for whatever reason (normal dungeons, easy fights, etc), you won't see any clipping.

    For the pure damage ogcds like gauss round/ricochet and so on, their position doesn't really matter so put them wherever you want. But stuff like rapid fire you definitely want in a specific place as above.
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    Last edited by Myon88; 12-03-2016 at 01:07 PM.

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    Lacaan Vasiim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeol View Post
    690+ With or without food?
    Mine is 673 without food and 693 with food.
    Going for this set.
    I'm aiming for http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/XK52 - shying away from SkillSpeed and bringing acc to only where it needs to be~

    In my A11s progression tonight I ran with 620 accuracy and here's the stats on my accuracy...
    first lockout: 3125 attacks, 4 misses
    second lockout: 2631 attacks, 14 misses (I let food drop a few pulls and got a little careless)

    A bit of math leaves me over 99% acc still for the whole evening. And that's really lower accuracy than I'd really want. 12 will probably be a different beast of a fight with time freeze and being so far away etc. but still.

    Capping Acc has not been the norm for ranged phys. Back in Coil days bards would aim for flank acc. Same holds true now for us. We're actually a bit more mobile than BRD @60 IMO; so there's no excuse for making sure you're on the flank of the enemy. Keep in mind the moment you step out of Alexander Savage/The current primal your acc requirements dip quite a bit for any other content and the secondary stats being higher will be that much more worth while!
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    Last edited by Id_Slayer; 12-03-2016 at 05:32 PM. Reason: dumb 1k char limit on initial post

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