But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

[AlphaSonic]

You will change your mind when you find that you are standing idle without doing anything because there's nearly 0 battles that need you to stay healing all time. Even in Raids there is a time when you can switch cleric and throw that Aero II, Stone and then go back to healing.

[pushin_tin]

You know what? I concede that it is not mandatory for healers to DPS. As long as we complete the duty, we are good to go. When I queue up on my DPS class, I won't expect the healer to do more than what is necessary. Furthermore, I'll put up Bio, maybe a Miasma, then let Titan Egi do the rest while I watch Attack on Titan (great anime, btw) on my other monitor. I'll dodge AoEs with my peripheral vision. It isn't mandatory that we clear the dungeon any faster than the 90 minutes allotted, so I'll take my time and do the minimum necessary.

[MentheusDreyar]

You know what? I concede that it is not mandatory for healers to DPS. As long as we complete the duty, we are good to go. When I queue up on my DPS class, I won't expect the healer to do more than what is necessary. Furthermore, I'll put up Bio, maybe a Miasma, then let Titan Egi do the rest while I watch Attack on Titan (great anime, btw) on my other monitor. I'll dodge AoEs with my peripheral vision. It isn't mandatory that we clear the dungeon any faster than the 90 minutes allotted, so I'll take my time and do the minimum necessary.

And I reckon far too many people have this idea in their heads and only pay 20% attention to the game, and are the reason I avoid DF randoms like the plague. There is no way in hell most of the community wants to sit in a dungeon for 90mins because people don't actually want to try past the bare minimum, I have better things to do than waste my time on something that can easily take 15-30mins.

Also.. Why are you using Titan Egi in a dungeon? :L

[Raminax]

Also.. Why are you using Titan Egi in a dungeon? :L

Probably sarcasm. It's hard to know with Poe's Law being in effect on the internet.

[Lastelli]

You know what? I concede that it is not mandatory for healers to DPS...

liked. Wanted to write something like this (in a less sarcastic way), but I'm just too tired of this silly mentality that healers can do the bare minimum while dps have to work their asses off to even bother. If healers are allowed to just heal and maybe dps whenever they feel like it even though they can dps for 90% of the time in a dungeon, then the same reasoning should apply to tanks (should I just spam flash/OP from now on?) and dps shouldn't feel obliged to put effort in dealing good damage.
So we can all have fun chatting during the 50-60 minutes it will take to clear fractal.

[DarkerOrange]

Stuff.

Well aren't you a delight...

The fact is, FFXIV is a very simple game for the most part. Everything outside of progression raiding is designed so you could literally only use 1 or 2 skills and still get through it, and it gets really boring, really quickly, so some people like to challenge themselves and try to make things go quicker. I do my EX roulette everyday on SCH and am quite regularly on par with, if not above, the DPS in terms of numbers, cos I literally do not need to cast a single heal, Selene does more than enough to keep the tank up.

If I am tanking or dpsing and I see an AST doing no DPS, that's fine, if I see a WHM doing no DPS, then it is a little annoying, but I find it borderline offensive to see a SCH just standing there, or over-healing, which is just as bad.

Also, SE have given healers a pretty extensive DPS toolkit, which goes well beyond the 1 or 2 spells they would need at minimum to solo stuff, so if you don't use those skills, you are simply not making the most of your class. If a DPS or tank doesn't use CDs or large parts of their rotation, they get called out, so I find it rather irritating that people feel like healers should just be able to ignore large parts of their toolkit

[MentheusDreyar]

Probably sarcasm. It's hard to know with Poe's Law being in effect on the internet.

Wouldn't put it past a lot of people sadly :L

liked. Wanted to write something like this (in a less sarcastic way), but I'm just too tired of this silly mentality that healers can do the bare minimum while dps have to work their asses off to even bother. If healers are allowed to just heal and maybe dps whenever they feel like it even though they can dps for 90% of the time in a dungeon, then the same reasoning should apply to tanks (should I just spam flash/OP from now on?) and dps shouldn't feel obliged to put effort in dealing good damage.
So we can all have fun chatting during the 50-60 minutes it will take to clear fractal.

Yeah this ^

In the occasions where i have to party with randoms and the healer isn't DPSing i will purposefully eat AOEs to hit my positional attacks thereby giving them something to do at least and increasing my own damage seeing as we have to carry their lazy ass i might as well get more damage in...

[MentheusDreyar]

The fact is, FFXIV is a very simple game for the most part. Everything outside of progression raiding is designed so you could literally only use 1 or 2 skills and still get through it, and it gets really boring, really quickly, so some people like to challenge themselves and try to make things go quicker. I do my EX roulette everyday on SCH and am quite regularly on par with, if not above, the DPS in terms of numbers, cos I literally do not need to cast a single heal, Selene does more than enough to keep the tank up.

If I am tanking or dpsing and I see an AST doing no DPS, that's fine, if I see a WHM doing no DPS, then it is a little annoying, but I find it borderline offensive to see a SCH just standing there, or over-healing, which is just as bad.

Also, SE have given healers a pretty extensive DPS toolkit, which goes well beyond the 1 or 2 spells they would need at minimum to solo stuff, so if you don't use those skills, you are simply not making the most of your class. If a DPS or tank doesn't use CDs or large parts of their rotation, they get called out, so I find it rather irritating that people feel like healers should just be able to ignore large parts of their toolkit

+90k

As a SCH main, the part I've made bold cannot be more true!

[Reinha]

The only real classes on WoW that heal/DPS are really a spec of Priest and some totems with Shaman. I was a Druid for 10 years which is a heal over time healer so my time was spent constantly refreshing heals on the raid and the tank, there wasn't really time to DPS because you were constantly working your HoT rotation.

If FFXIV had a class like that, I'd be in heaven. As it stands however, I'm just not comfortable DPSing at this point (At least with my WHM which I'm leveling to 34 for Stone Skin).

Don't forget Mistweaver (playfully called Fistweaver) Monks. Sadly that was ruined in WoD (imo) with the addition of stances, but in MoP it was so fluid to switch from meleeing the enemies to doing aoe healing and back, and your attacks would heal the lowest targets automatically. I will honestly cry tears of joy if this game ever gets a melee healer.

Since you are familiar with WoW, I'll give you a rough comparison of the classes. SCH is like a mix of Disco and Holydin with mitigation heals, and it's currently the healer with the most emphasis on damage. It's also the healer with smart heals in the form of a fairy, which is similar to how Shammy totems work. WHM is like Holy Priest or Druid with hot based healing. Good aoe damage but in 8 man content their job is to solo heal during easier phases because the SCH will be dps'ing. I haven't played AST but apparently it's a support/buff focused healer with crappy damage, and WoW doesn't really have any support classes to relate to. It has two stances to mimic the healing styles of the other healer jobs.

AST is the most traditional healer imo, with different ways to heal and buffing other party members. You'll have to unlock Heavensward areas to start leveling it. On the other hand you were a Druid main like I was, so WHM might feel really familiar.

It's more like, I took a role that's traditionally focused on keeping the team alive, if I wanted to do damage I'd have rolled a damage class, that's basically what I mean.

There's nothing philosophical or moral about it, it's a game, it doesn't exist. I just know what I enjoy doing and usually, damage isn't it, at all. Obviously when you solo you're doing damage but you're not competing with anyone but yourself.

It doesn't really matter in low level dungeons if you dps or not, because no role has to give their all during leveling. When it comes to casual end game content like expert dungeons, 24 man raids and normal mode Alexander raids, it's good to throw out some damage if you find yourself having to choose between overhealing (don't do this it's a nightmare for tanks) and idling at times. You don't have to compete with the dps jobs at all though. It's just a matter of there being less damage done to your party than what you can heal, and making use of the free time in between damage spikes. I recommend binding a key for focus target and putting the tank on focus for easy target swapping.

[Priya]

I'll be SUPER happy when SE balances their game so that classes focus more on their own roles rather than how much DPS they can pull while doing their roles (I don't want to DPS either, OP).

But until that crazy healing day comes, DPS'ing as a healer is the optimal way to play, so that's what I'm gonna do.

Tempted to go back to WoW because of it, though (Disc/Mistweaver did the dps/heal thing better than SE. Even Resto Shaman's lightning bolt MP restore is less annoying). I like trinity games. Having to DPS so much while healing makes it feel... idk... more like a non-trinity game.