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    PriestAlseid's Avatar
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    Scholar Lv 53

    But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

    Hey guys, new here, still on my free 30 days and still learning the game.

    The point of this thread is that I've never seen a healer system like this, where we're also meant to DPS, and I'm not sure how exactly that works because I rolled a healer specifically because I didn't wanna DPS. I haven't been shouted at by anyone yet but I've been doing a little DPS in dungeons as I level, but I'm a "Keep everyone topped off" kind of healer so I've mainly been focusing on that.

    My question is, and I want a right out answer, should I just stop playing and find a different game with a more traditional healer role that is exactly that, a healer? I'm thinking the answer is yes but I want opinions from the player base that's far more established than I am.

    I'm assuming that in end game content the healers here are required to DPS against end game content or they're not taken along.

    Thanks guys!
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    I'm this game inside dungeons and raids healers are not REQUIRED or EXPECTED to dps outside the most recent raid instances. Healers only dps in progression raids or if they are comfortable enough to dps. By the time you get to this content you may also feel more comfortable to dps as well. The Healers that dps are the ones who know their class well and how to balance healing and dpsing. Since you are on trial you haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg yet keep on truckin and see how things turn out.
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    Dungeons etc play however you want.
    Extreme Primals(tough boss encounters, but healer dps not generally required) play however you want.
    But if you want to participate in the end game raiding scene (Alexander Savage) :
    1) WHM and AST = heals 90%, DPS 10%.
    2) SCH = DPS 90%, heals 10%.

    According to your forum account, you're currently leveling a SCH.
    If you wanna spend time healing and not DPSing, I strongly recommend you to switch you main to either a WHM or an AST.

    I don't like how the party composition in the end game raid are 2 tanks 2 healers 4 DPS, but in reality if you want to clear stuff in a timely manner without resorting to over gearing, its actually 2 wannabe DPS who can take hits, 1.1 healers, 4.9 DPS, that's how overtuned the DPS checks are in this game ;_;.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PriestAlseid View Post
    Hey guys, new here, still on my free 30 days and still learning the game.

    The point of this thread is that I've never seen a healer system like this, where we're also meant to DPS, and I'm not sure how exactly that works because I rolled a healer specifically because I didn't wanna DPS. I haven't been shouted at by anyone yet but I've been doing a little DPS in dungeons as I level, but I'm a "Keep everyone topped off" kind of healer so I've mainly been focusing on that.

    My question is, and I want a right out answer, should I just stop playing and find a different game with a more traditional healer role that is exactly that, a healer? I'm thinking the answer is yes but I want opinions from the player base that's far more established than I am.

    I'm assuming that in end game content the healers here are required to DPS against end game content or they're not taken along.

    Thanks guys!
    You'll see tons of threads on this already, but quick points:

    1. I wouldn't stop playing the game just because you don't feel like you want to DPS. Most players find that contributing DPS on healer is natural once they figure out that healing most content gives you plenty of downtime, and there's nothing else you would be doing, so...yeah.

    2. Most MMOs I've played expected a certain level of DPS from healers, at least at high level play. Some healer classes simply didn't function without using attack spells since landing abilities on the enemy was part of the requirement for healing to work. FFXIV is very beginner friendly in that you don't need to do much to fill your minimum role requirement.

    3. If you enjoy healing but for some reason truly can't bring yourself to DPS much for whatever reason, go for AST or WHM. I suggest this not because their DPS is poor or because they are incapable of DPSing while healing (quite the contrary), but the playerbase seems to be more forgiving of ...less proactive WHMs and ASTs.

    All of that being said, you'll probably realize that contributing DPS as healer feels natural and appropriate as you practice it. Look at it as a mini-game to keep yourself busy while no one requires healing if that helps.

    As for keeping people topped off, it's a very inefficient playstyle that will get you called out in pretty much any game, especially where healing is so intensive that you have very little opportunity to DPS (games like that tend to emphasize MP management, and topping people off needlessly is a cardinal sin in that regard).

    Good luck with whatever you do!
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    Also after you break into heavensward content (if you like the game enough and bought the expansion) you can unlock astrologian which is a healer/buffer. Their dps is least of the 3 healers so you don't dps much at all.
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    Then don't DPS.... Its your account and if you stick with the game then play as you like.... Don't feel you have to do anything you don't want to do. This is a GAME not a job... If your a healer and the tank tells you to dps then switch to dps mode and don't heal him...

    Make a raise macro that says

    /micon
    ac/ "swiftcast" <me>
    p/ "well you told me to dps so I did, don't blame me for why you are making love to the ground."
    /wait 1
    /ac "Resurrection" <t>
    p/ "Now get up and stop complaining"
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    Last edited by Astral145; 10-02-2015 at 12:39 PM.

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    Dante Venarra
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    Unless you are doing savage raid content or doing something on the bleeding edge of its release at min ilvl there isn't a necessity to heal and dps. It is an optional thing added to raise the skill ceiling of the class. Although I will admit that without being able to healing in some of these low level dungeons would be zzzz worthy. However I will say that if dpsing isn't your thing I would sty away from SCH as it is a dps/healing class and typically the one of the two healers in 8 man content that will be most likely dpsing if it's necessary while the WHM or AST keeps up the heals. The WHM does have some pretty powerful dps moves but that goes without saying. If you armed comfortable doing it then don't. It's more of a thing for those who want to maximize their class ability and team contribution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    3. If you enjoy healing but for some reason truly can't bring yourself to DPS much for whatever reason, go for AST or WHM. I suggest this not because their DPS is poor or because they are incapable of DPSing while healing (quite the contrary), but the playerbase seems to be more forgiving of ...less proactive WHMs and ASTs.
    Hey don't dice WHM/AST k? you know how much harder it is to press the regen/AB button every 21/18 seconds compared to just typing /follow once?
    That difficulty is why WHM/AST dps less.
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    I'm actually, despite being a healer, primarily a solo player. I don't really hardcore raid, so I'm not worried about just released content or hard, savage, or extreme bosses or raids. I might do some down the road and we'll see what happens, but for now, that's not a reality.

    Thanks for the feedback guys, I just didn't wanna get shouted at by people when I play to game to relax and unwind. If I want to be stressed by something then I'll pick up more hours at work. Thanks for the feedback, I've been ignoring my healing classes due to fear of this, or being inadequate and again, getting shouted at. I appreciate the feedback greatly and any more offered is greatly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astral145 View Post
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    I would kick anyone who did that immature crap. You do realize that is griefing right? Unless the tank is throwing a huge fit about wanting the healer to dps then your reaction is completely uncalled for and a reportable offense.

    Please op, ignore this person's awful advice, all it will do is cause more problems.

    Anyways yeah, as long as you keep everyone alive nobody should really complain, but you'll find in many dungeons throughout this game that they do not require intensive healing at all. Especially as a sch, the fairy does much of the healing for you. So oftentimes you will have long periods where there is nothing really to heal and any heals you put out would be overhealing and a waste, so in those cases you could take a few seconds to throw out some dots and bane. Certainly more fun than standing around doing nothing, it keeps you busy and speeds up the run. I personally would not see any sense in literally ignoring half the skills my class can use. A healer contributing dps is still actually contributing to healing, as the faster stuff dies, the less damage people take. Proactive mitigation over the long term.
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    Last edited by braneri1; 10-02-2015 at 01:41 PM.

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